[constantcrying]

>We Reviewed All of Them

Am I blind? Where are the reviews? The website is also utterly broken on my device...

What I always find interesting is what exactly "banned" means. Certainly there is no government which punishes distribution, printing or reading of those books.

[doingmaths]

> Certainly there is no government which punishes distribution, printing or reading of those books.

Yes, state and municipal level governments have banned books in the US?

Here's a list of some example laws in, e.g., education: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tj5WQVBmB6SQg-zP_M8u...

[constantcrying]

>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tj5WQVBmB6SQg-zP_M8u...

Why are you posting google doc links? These things are made to track you. Do not ever click such a link or share it. Absolutely one of the worst ways to share information.

In any case, when was the last time a book printer faced criminal charges for printing a book? A book reader for reading a book? A shop for selling a book?

[doingmaths]

> Why are you posting google doc links?

Because that's the way the organization makes the information available. Is Google docs on topic?

> In any case, when was the last time a book printer faced criminal charges for printing a book? A book reader for reading a book? A shop for selling a book?

You forgot: "A book owner for owning a book."

School librarians in the US face prison time for owning books in parts of the US. Has anyone actually been prosecuted for those laws? Not yet, they are new laws.

Has anyone decided to stop owning books because those laws exist? Yes, absolutely.

The government telling you what books you can own, and if you do not comply, threatening you with prison is absolutely a thing that's factual in the US.

[constantcrying]

>Is Google docs on topic?

No. I had to open it in Tor.

>School librarians in the US face prison time for owning books in parts of the US

No they don't. Stop lying.

>The government telling you what books you can ow

No. The government tells them which books to put into their libraries, read your link. Can you tell the difference? It is public vs. private.

[doingmaths]

> No they don't. Stop lying.

I'm sorry you don't believe me, but librarians are facing jail time in Tennessee, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. Librarians (typically school librarians, but in at least one state also public librarians). The books their collection owns is a book they own. The states are telling them they could go to jail for owning a book in their collection.

In Arkansas, a librarian can now face 6 years in prison for 'Obscene material' but provide no guidance on what 'Obscene' means. Laws that are selectively enforced and provide no clear guidance are laws that are designed to limit speech and limit freedom.

Simply saying "no." and accusing me of lying does not change the fundamental truth of the matter.

[constantcrying]

No. You missed the point of the law.

The state mandates curation of libraries. No librarian is under any legal threat because of private ownership. Stop halucinating.

[teachrdan]

I'm disappointed in the low quality of your arguments here. They border on bad faith, but, in truth, are probably simply lazy.

I googled "new law prison time for school librarians banned books" and the following was the top result: "School librarians face prison time for distributing banned books" (actual title slightly different)

In keeping with the ethos and guidelines of Hacker News, please apply the principle of charity and do a bit of research before doing a low-effort takedown of someone you disagree with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/18/school-l...

[constantcrying]

>provide ‘obscene’ books to minors

If you had read my previous posts you would know that this is irrelevant.

By that standard the state has banned pretty much anything. Alcohol is banned in the US because giving alcohol to minors is a crime, see how absurd this argument sound if you apply it to literally anything else?

[xyzzyz]

None of these laws punishes possession, printing and reading any books, and the only distribution restrictions are about some public libraries (typically school ones), which are directed to not stock these books, but otherwise there are no restrictions on distribution of these books.

[doingmaths]

> None of these laws punishes possession ...

> which are directed to not stock these books

You see how these are opposites, right? Stocking a book in a library is possessing it. The laws punish libraries for having a book in their collections, and that punishment can include years in prison.

Years in prison for a library having a book in its collection.

Libraries are some of the bastions of freedom and liberty in our nation, they represent the fundamental ideal that free speech should be accessible. Telling libraries that they should not stock books is antithetical to freedom and liberty.

[constantcrying]

>Stocking a book in a library is possessing it.

Nope. That is not how (most) libraries work. School libraries purchase books, which then are owned by the school and managed by librarians.

>Years in prison for a library having a book in its collection.

Libraries do not go to prison.

>Telling libraries that they should not stock books is antithetical to freedom and liberty.

Libraries are curated in all cases. The speech they provide is 100% determined by the purchasers and staffers. If those people are ideological, then so are the contents of libraries. Calling them a bastion of free speech is hilarious.

Personally I never looked at any book in my school library and avoided anything but the technical books in university.