[OJFord]

What's a 'coffee maker'? My espresso machine's portafilter basket takes as much coffee as I put in it. So does a cafetière. A Nespresso/other pod based machine is a fixed amount which as far as I'm aware is always specified in ml if at all.

[rdlw]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffeemaker

[OJFord]

Ok, the first picture there is of a Turkish stove-top style device which (and the vague description of any coffee-making device too) as I said takes as much as you put in, where do cups come in to it?

If you use cups to measure coffee, fine (I don't measure, but I think grams would be more normal) - or if your specific 'coffee maker' came with a cup, fine, but don't over-generalise?

I mean not even over-generalise - GP told me my 'coffee maker' came with a non-standard cup; I promise you it came with no cups whatsoever. (It's a Rancilio Silvia, the stock basket has a max capacity of probably 18? 21? grams - definitely less than any 'cup', about a tablespoon. But that's a physical maximum and nobody called it a cup or suggested it was for measurement.)

[rdlw]

Maybe it's different on mobile but I see a moka pot as the first image. I have a 6-cup model, which has a 12 oz. capacity.

The point is that no one really uses those as measurements, they're not useful. But almost every coffee maker comes labeled with cups anyway for some reason, probably marketing for comparison shoppers. Obviously you're right that espresso machines don't have cup markings (however that would even work), but I have to say this is the first time I've seen someone call an espresso machine a coffee maker (hence my uh... curt previous response, sorry about that).

[OJFord]

I see the same, I just forgot the word and also confused it with the Turkish cevze. As in, had always confused them, I didn't realise moka pots were Italian. Anyway - I'm pretty confident you won't find Italians in Italy talking about the cup size of their moka pot or using cups to measure coffee grounds/water into it.

I've never heard an espresso machine called a coffee maker either, but I've never heard the latter term at all, hence this whole thread. Sounds like a refusal to call someone (i.e. a person, not machine) a 'barista' to me.

[brianpan]

https://www.target.com/p/mr-coffee-5-cup-switch-coffee-maker...

Mr Coffee carafe markings is 5oz per cup. This is not an espresso machine that makes "small" cups. This is a good old fashioned American pot of coffee and I can tell you what they call a FIVE cup coffee maker makes an actual 2 cups of coffee.