[WFHRenaissance]

I always get the gut-feeling that stuff like this is bad, and will be abused, and is the quasi-abolition of privacy... but when I go to explain to my parents, or my siblings, or sometimes my peers why I feel uncomfortable about the implementation of stuff like this... I'm faced with a brick wall.

We are in an interesting pivot point in American sociology where the privacy/safety trade-off has never been easier for members of the general public... and I am not sure that there is much we can do about it.

[peddling-brink]

It doesn’t need to be a gut feeling. This is a violent reactionary response to other violence. Violence + violence = more violence, until one side decides to stop fighting.

But the violence being combated here has its roots in a distinct lack of proper mental health care and an increasingly violent political scene driven by the rise of fascism, which is driven by the increasing gap between the rich and the poor, encouraged by oligarchs who are enriched through regulatory capture, and accelerated by Citizens United.

This product only takes away rights and doesn’t begin to try to solve any of the actual problems.

I also don’t know that there is much we as individuals can do about it. But talking about it with friends and family is a good step.

[noman-land]

Many people view abuse by their own government to be unimaginable. So when you tell them you're scared of being abused by the US government, it doesn't make sense to them. This is the basis for the "nothing to hide" argument, which breaks down even under the mildest scrutiny.

[mu53]

"One third of Gen Z supports government surveillance inside private homes to prevent abuse, crime: report"[1]

It is the future, and its going to get worse.

[1] https://thepostmillennial.com/one-third-of-gen-z-supports-go...

[midoridensha]

They should ask the Gen-Zers who support this if they're OK with Ron DeSantis seeing the surveillance video.

[kQq9oHeAz6wLLS]

Interestingly, if you ask them if they fully trust the government, they'll likely say no. It's a strange paradox.

[Eumenes]

People simply don't care. They have 'nothing to hide', their lives are better than 99.99% of people who ever lived, and people are busy with other things, not invisible boogey men (which are real, just not to the average person).

[mistrial9]

wrong - ordinary people are distracted, overwhelmed, and cannot change things that are done over months and years. Meanwhile, the uniform services are very compatible with this constant ID check, it is their daily life. New authority with few drawbacks, new sources of funding. Blaming casual citizens is lazy thinking IMO.

[Eumenes]

Yes, people have always been distracted and overwhelmed. Nothing new there. Ask your casual citizen then. People are unwilling to take the simple steps of removing spyware from their phone or daily life. That is lazy. Its also the first step. If everyday people just dumped these apps and web services, CIA/Mossad's of the world would have a very limited vector, and having been spoiled with direct links into everything for 20 years, would probably be clueless. People need to take responsibility for their own privacy and data security.

[omniglottal]

"Simple steps..."?! Lazy?? Yeah, all credibility was lost there. People, by and large, feel powerless - apathy comes from absence of agency as a coping mechanism. It's a 2-party system where one is the nanny-state authoritarians and the other more fascist authoritarian. Both surveil. Both engage in secrecy and subterfuge, and none have called for open governance, campaign finance reform, or anything that would take money out of our representatives' greedy, deep pockets.

People know this. The wall they all hit: "What can I do about it?" I've been doing those things all my life, since before the WWW existed, and became a professional in the industry being leveraged for surveillance and control.

It's hard. It's better we don't lie about why.

[Eumenes]

Corporations are bad, politicians are bad, yes. But if you can't even be bothered to delete social media and predatory apps/services that pimp your data out to the government, you are in fact lazy. Deleting your accounts is simple. Only a few clicks through the settings. Idk where this cope came from where its literally impossible to detach from it. These companies are never going to play by our rules, so I think we can stop pretending they will.

If you're worried about your career, just keep your linkedin profile barebones. If you require a fb, twitter, snapchat, tiktok, etc to maintain a professional career, you prob don't care about privacy in the first place, because you're in marketing or social media, or trying to be an influencer.

[cyanydeez]

I have a gut feeling that if this were happening, you'd start with things like purchase orders and very boring matter of fact reporting details before launching into the cloak and dagger type of conspiracy reporting.