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by boston_clone 1104 days ago
About a year after vaccines became available, only 60% or so of folks had received two doses [0]. Public messaging from the initial administration is an obvious contributor to the remaining 40%.

County / MSA hospital capacities, percent available ICU beds, ventilator use, admission increase rates, deaths, and various other stats were factored into restrictive policy decisions. However, this varies city by city and state by state (I suppose as an effect of federalism).

0. https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-st...
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anthonypasq 1103 days ago
im sorry, but people who chose not to get vaccinated knew what they were doing and governments and public health officials holding everyone else hostage cause some people wanted to engage in risky behavior is not justifiable under any ethical framework i can think of.
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boston_clone 1103 days ago
“im sorry, but people who chose not to [follow the speed limit] knew what they were doing and governments and public safety officials holding everyone else to a [speed limit] cause some people wanted to engage is risky behavior is not justifiable under any ethical framework i can think of.

do you see how ridiculous this sounds?

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anthonypasq 1102 days ago
no because this is a terrible analogy. Speeding endangers others who have not consented to that danger, not getting vaccinated has absolutely no societal risk in this particular scenario with covid.

If I could make my car crash proof (me getting vaccinated in this analogy), i would have no issues with people wanting to drive as fast as they like (they already do it anyway).

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boston_clone 1102 days ago
it’s only a bad analogy if you have a poor understanding of things.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757

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anthonypasq 1102 days ago
that was published in 2021 about data from march 2020 to nov 2020, its completely irrelevant. I mean can you at least try?

also, even if vaccines did stop transmission your argument still doesnt make sense. I can protect myself by being vaccinated. I dont give a shit if the person next to me is unvaccinated, im already protected myself. If you decide not to, you are consenting to increased risk.

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boston_clone 1101 days ago
Who would win - a peer reviewed article from the New England Journal of Medicine with published methodologies and citations? Or some internet rando with no medical background simply saying “that’s irrelevant”?

Also, you’re misreading the article; please review.

Enjoy dying on this hill, Anthony.

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