[barrkel]

Can't agree, honestly. Someone in sales might have dropped their laptop a few times, but outside of coffee spillages (thinkpads had a drain hole), they're not in bad shape. I've bought (via donation to charity) used work macbooks and they're were in great shape. Battery life is the main wear item.

As to bloat and performance, the standard amount of RAM in a laptop has barely budged in over 10 years. In 2012, a typical consumer laptop might have had 8G RAM and the higher end models 16G RAM.

In 2023, a quick search shows basic home laptops still for sale with 4G RAM, and typical consumer laptops around the $1000 price mark come with 16G RAM as standard.

CPU performance has increased a bit in that time, but not by a whole lot, especially single-threaded. An old laptop might be a bit slow, but it's usually RAM and operating system support which makes it obsolescent. Apps and web pages either fit in memory or they don't; the OS you're running either supports the latest app / browser (and thus web pages) or it doesn't.