[wyager]

Wow, that's terrible. Do Germans not have as good of climate control or something? I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level. It looks like wholesale electricity costs in Germany are around 4x higher than in the US.

[Brotkrumen]

>what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level

That's a good question. Prices are a good start. Consumer prices seem to be twice in G as in the US. Don't know where you get the "wholesale price is 4x in G". Most of what I can find is that wholesale is usually pretty close.

My guess of what G could do to increase consumption and thus moneys:

- Lower prices (duh). End user power is taxed heavily to subsidize industry power

- Remove mandatory energy labels on all electronics. Who really needs to know how much a TV or fridge is going to consume in power?

- Mandate "power-included" in rents. If you pay a fixed sum, you might as well leave the fridge open to cool the kitchen

- Mandate central heating and cooling. If you only pay a share of what you consume, might as well go full blast on everything

- stop subsidizing energy efficiency for new single and multi-tenant homes.

- stop building solid houses. Plywood walls are fine

Nice comparison on power prices: https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-decemb...

[milliams]

I think you missed the

  PER YEAR

part. 3500 kwh per year is only 292 kwh per month, which is about three times lower than the US number quoted.

[wyager]

I didn't miss that. I'm saying it's concerning that Germany's energy availability is so impoverished. To quote myself:

> I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level.

[Timon3]

What is bad about using less energy? What is good about using more?

[wyager]

Energy usage is synonymous with level of civilization. I like civilization.

[Timon3]

And yet, america uses much more. Shouldn't that give you a pause? :)

Jokes aside, you're describing a correlation. America does not seem "more civilized" to me, you guys are just wasteful. Wasted energy does not lead to more civilization.

[wyager]

> Shouldn't that give you a pause?

No; It's completely consistent with my model. America is more advanced by a huge margin. It's also evidently a more desirable place to live; the Germany-to-USA migration rate is something like 3x the other direction.