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by irjustin 1102 days ago
"Reasonable" could be simply truly accidental like someone carried a vial, drops it and then someone gets sick from that?

The point the parent comment is trying to make is all we have is speculation and you can speculate either way. Just make whatever you want up in your head that doesn't include malice.
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RcouF1uZ4gsC 1102 days ago
> "Reasonable" could be simply truly accidental like someone carried a vial, drops it and then someone gets sick from that?

What you described is still the lab leak theory.

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irjustin 1102 days ago
Oh you're right, i'm supposed to support "not lab leak".

Bats -> humans in the market.

Point remains the same. We're all speculating because I agree with the statement that trying to create foreign policy based on speculation creates so many problems - Iraq war for one (but, being fair, supposedly that was credible).

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HardlyCurious 1102 days ago
Are you of the belief that the lab leak theory implies intention?
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irjustin 1102 days ago
i'm of the belief that we only have speculation.
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HardlyCurious 1102 days ago
The fact that we only have speculation is due to yet inability to find a natural source of covid and China's refusal to be a decent member of the world and instead chose to obstruct and hide as much as they could.

But, I'm sure china would admit to the world that their research lab was the fuck up that killed millions of people. It isn't like china would ever try to censor and control information that makes them look bad.

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irjustin 1101 days ago
You're complaining to a thread that already knows this. We can complain all we want about lack of transparency and truth.

But, it's from where we stand, not where we want to be. We stand in pure speculation, and cannot create foreign policy based on "we're, like, pretty sure you did it... in our heads!"

This kind of system of policy creation leads to guantanamo bay and the iraq war. We hold people against their will swearing they have information. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. So we resort to torture and have murdered plenty in the name of it. What if they actually don't have the information? Then we're just torturing/murdering innocents.

Is it worth it? Personally I say no. But it won't stop us from parading around the success cases screaming "the ends justify the means".

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distortionfield 1102 days ago
The point is we will never know and anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something
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