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by Traubenfuchs 1109 days ago
I call this kind of clownery "climate masochism". If you really want to do something for the environment, don‘t have children and become part of the voluntary human extinction movement.

Anything else is nothing but lipstick on the pig.
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RedNifre 1109 days ago
What should people do, who are against climate change, because they are AGAINST human extinction?
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Traubenfuchs 1109 days ago
I guess we all agree that continuing as is is clearly unsustainable. The one and only alternative to full human extinction is radically scaling down humanity, primarily quantitatively. We would still need some amount of people, ideally geographically distributed to stay resilient against god knows what else will come in the future.

I am not well versed at all in the multiple disciplines one needs to talk about this in technical detail, but I guess 500.000 people per habitable continent should be enough?

I do realize this is impossible to enforce top down or get the people to do bottom up. As the evolutionary greedy animals we are, we will continue to procreate.

After all this rambling my short, personal answer: The only possible thing is becomming true eco terrorists and genociding 99% of the world population somehow. Boom. 99% of the ecological/climate foot print humanity has evaporated!

To the appalled reader: I‘d prefer reasonable counter arguments over downvotes and flags...

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RedNifre 1109 days ago
Sounds like overkill, literally.

I mean, if every ton of CO2 emitted had to be offset by certificates for 1.1 tons of CO2, that were truly removed from the atmosphere, the climate problem would be solved over time and we could switch to 1:1 once we got the atmosphere back to pre-industrial levels. While this would surely reduce quality of living, I would be surprised if this meant that only 500k people per continent could survive. Surely, we could do better.

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aziaziazi 1106 days ago
> every ton of CO2 emitted had to be offset by certificates for 1.1 tons of CO2

Lol sound like impossible for many practical and social raisons. Thinking about how temper the overkill proposition is more realistic than keep on lying ourself to the impossible one.

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baremetal 1109 days ago
>The only possible thing is becomming true eco terrorists and genociding 99% of the world population somehow.

Ideological capture.

You have been convinced to act against your own self interest.

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Traubenfuchs 1109 days ago
Sorry I am a bit lost here: What‘s the interest you pressume I (should) have and act against?

I do not care about the future of humanity and nature, I try to live as hedonistic as I can and do not desire being a father. Also, I do not wish for the mentioned genocide. I‘d only care about it to the degree it impacts me: I do not want to die as part of the 99% and I do not want the amount of potential lovers to be reduced.

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baremetal 1108 days ago
>I do not care about the future of humanity and nature, I try to live as hedonistic as I can and do not desire being a father.

Perhaps I'm being presumptuous but it sounds like you are in a state of hopelessness.

I will pray for you.

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