[asveikau]

> Kaczynski May have said some interesting things

That take is strange to me.

He reminds me a lot of people I've been close to who suffered mental illness. He didn't want to be considered mentally ill, and his apologists don't like it either, and further, many who focus on his victims and crimes don't like it. But for me, that's the major story about him. It was clear to me the first time i tried to read the manifesto many years ago.

From that, his story is sad. He didn't need to go insane and start bombing people. He had potential to do other, better things.

I watched the Netflix documentary, and the commentary from his brother and sister in law was very moving. The brother, because he still loved him, but had to come to terms with what he did and do the right thing. The brother's wife, who it seemed flagged him as mentally ill from nearly the beginning.

[csydas]

I think this is an unkind assessment to Kaczynski. What he did was wrong, there isn't denying that, but I think people forget he really was a very good mathematician and that he very likely was a subject in the MK-Ultra experiments without realizing it.

This is not to excuse all his actions as we cannot know really the full extent of the experiment he participated in without a proper understanding of what was going to happen to him and the potential outcomes.

His positions in his manifesto aren't exactly bad positions to take, his actions in bringing attention to it were bad and hurt many innocents.

I think it's possible to condemn his actions while also recognizing his non-violent contributions and the elements in his life that may have contributed to the creation of the Unabomber. After reading about the experiments he attended, it's very hard for me to remove those as a contributor to the Unabomber; they weren't the sole contributor, but I can't imagine having such derision and psychological abuse for 200+ hours without walking out of it maladjusted.

The purpose of such statements I think isn't to excuse Kaczynski's actions, but instead to ensure that we aren't just imagining some video game or movie villain that appeared and the FBI heroically stopped; he was a human being who lived a pretty normal life, and then he changed and became the Unabomber. The latter is extremely sad and appalling given the damage, and I think the latter is made even worse by remembering the former; he used to be a pretty smart guy and contributed well to society.

It's a sad story no matter how you view Kaczynski, but I think that we are worse off if we don't recognize that he was at some point a fairly normal human being, teaching maths and studying maths, who went through a lot of psychological issues, and came out as the Unabomber.

[asveikau]

> I think this is an unkind assessment to Kaczynski.

Only if you have a stigmatizing view of mental illness.

> but I think people forget he really was a very good mathematician

Famously, so was John Nash, who was schizophrenic. To say nothing about the large number of very accomplished people in many fields. Mentally ill people can be very smart and talented.

> and that he very likely was a subject in the MK-Ultra experiments without realizing it.

The onset of schizophrenia tends to happen in late adolescence. This lines up with his time at Harvard. I think it's wrong to blame the psychological experiment thing for this. It's like people who blame drugs for making people schizophrenic, without understanding that they may have had the condition before.

I would recommend the Netflix doc.

[dudeinjapan]

I'm sure someone else has posted this but... rather than a mentally ill screed I'd say it's a pretty lucid diagnosis of the last 30 years: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ship-o...

[LouisSayers]

I never read anything he wrote and just started reading his manifesto https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unab...

It's actually a pretty interesting read so far. His thoughts on "leftism" and general society conformance seem to me to be quite well thought out.

I guess mental illness, and logical, rational thoughts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[asveikau]

So this allegory tells us that humanity faces existential threats and that the answer is violence towards anybody who want to focus on another problem beyond his pet project. I read it as pretty deranged and unjustly angry. Along with the other articles on that site by Kaczynski.

[goldenkey]

That was a better analogy to reality than the drivel I've read in the last 30 years.