[hu3]

It's totally fine to run the project (or don't run) as the owner see fits and use it however one wants.

But let's not pretend the project is actively maintained and there are no bugs. That's what klabb3 alludes to.

Elm has this "this is fine" phenomenon where people like to pretend its a one-of-a-kind software that has no bugs doesn't even need a patch with bug fixes.

[hombre_fatal]

Do people pretend that? Or is it just an HN circlejerk that reports it be so?

I'm a regular user of the Elm ecosystem, like the Slack/Discord, and everyone talks casually about Elm's bugs. In the #beginner channel it's just "Yeah oops that's def a known issue, but you can work around that with X."

It's just that Elm is still a good tool despite its warts, and its bugs aren't catastrophic. Presumably that's the smoking gun for your "this is fine" phenomenon: that people still use it and dare to even enjoy it despite unfixed bugs.

[lolinder]

People absolutely pretend that! This whole subthread spun of from a discussion of https://iselmdead.info/, which says (emphasis added):

> Elm’s release cycle is (very) slow on purpose. ...

> While the language doesn’t get frequent updates (and that’s a good thing!), ...

> Why is it a good thing that Elm doesn’t get frequent updates? First of all, it means your code will last a long time! It also means the language is very stable, because features are carefully thought out before being implemented.

I have no problem with people enjoying Elm and acknowledging the bugs. I really dislike that this site gets posted every time people point out that there hasn't been an update in four years. A four-year break between updates is not "all part of the plan". It's not a slow release cycle. It's a sign that the creator ran out of steam but didn't want to delegate to a successor.

You seem to be reasonable in your approach to Elm, and that's great. But there absolutely is a contingent that tries to pretend that this four-year hiatus is part of Evan's master plan for Elm and is "a good thing", and it's reasonable for the HN crowd to call that out as problematic.

[awestroke]

No, it's that Elm fans defend the decision to never fix those bugs

[oxnrtr]

Stockholm syndrome. You know ... normal people in normal projects would just fix the bugs?

[plazma]

This is what I don't like about it. Other then that Even is running things differently and maybe it's not for you, but some people really like it and maybe some more will.

Take a look at https://elm.studio/about.html, please read comparison there. Elm does not want to be mainstream, people should really understand that.