[shadowfox]

> This is a distinctly Western perspective: that intent matters

I am kind of curious about the perspective here. Is the argument that "eastern" (I assume, as opposed to "western") perspectives do not consider intent in evaluating actions?

[JustinVx]

It's a very interesting episode, If you're curious I would advice to listen to it in full. On this topic I perceived 'western' as a proxy for individualistic societies. The argument is indeed that these very collectivistic societies do not consider intent as an important factor. Within those societies shame is also a very important emotion versus the individualistic 'guilt'. One other interesting finding was that self-confidence has no correlation with life satisfaction in those societies.

A country like China would actually be in the middle on that scale, and it was also discussed how it's rapidly becoming more individualistic due to a number of policies, most notably the one-child policy.

[jkbyc]

A slightly different but related topic - Chomsky on why (humanitarian) intent doesn't matter: https://youtu.be/syikF6gNJDk

[EchoReflection]

Video removed. Looks like even archive.org might not have caught it fast enough. https://web.archive.org/web/20210828142953/https://www.youtu...

But Chomsky is overrated anyway imo. Really smart, but an Ivory tower elite at the end of the day.

[achenet]

I don't recall the exact quotation nor the source, so there may some factual inaccuracies in what I'm about to write, but I think I read somewhere that under bushido (the samurai code), no distinction was made between someone returning a wallet because it was the 'right thing to do' and someone returning a wallet for less altruistic reasons (fear of being seen as a thief by others, etc).

This would seem to support the hypothesis that not all cultures value intent as much.