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by spacechild1 1110 days ago
Are you being serious? Or is this just some wicked kind of sarcasm?
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To the downvoters: do you have any experience with little kids? As a father of a 2 year old, it is pretty obvious what's wrong with infanticide...
Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record. Not killing your children was invented by the Egyptians, taken up by the Jews and spread by the Christians, Muslims, presumably other Abrahamic faiths and cultures derived from them. It has not been obvious to the huge majority of people ever born that there was anything wrong with infanticide. If you think it is obviously wrong you might want to make an argument of some kind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

> Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record

That's a non-argument. People did all kinds of horrible things in the past (human sacrifice, cruel corporal punishment, slavery) and yet it is now obvious to us that these things are bad. I think it is safe to say that infanticide is one of the things that we don't need to debate in modern times.

You’re saying that it’s obvious infanticide is wrong. I’m pointing out that most humans ever have disagreed. Then you’re saying it’s obvious again and that it doesn’t need to be debated. Your “argument” is that the current moral fashions of your society are true and that this is obvious to all.

At best this is an attempt at persuasion by “Everyone else is doing it and so should you.”

Again, the same thing can be said about slavery.

In fact, if something is perceived as horrible by most people in current society, I think the burden is on you to explain why and when it is justified. (So far your only argument was that people in the old times did it, which is no argument at all.)

Ok, so you’re assuming moral progress of some kind. Do you have any principled arguments for whatever it is you believe?
Well, I am a former embryo and fetus. I was given the opportunity to be born, and so I became pro-life. That seems like a pretty obvious and logical decision.
Abortion of a 12 week old fetus is in no way comparable to infanticide. That's the point I am trying to make.
What makes it different? Umbilical cord? Immersed in amniotic fluid? Roundly dehumanized and unpersoned by society?
Do you eat meat?
Not on Fridays, no. For many years I've offered this up as a sacrifice for my little brothers and sisters who are murdered because of a "human right".

I find it personally revolting that people would assent to my own murder. I am the product of an unplanned pregnancy, and it is mere happenstance that I was not strangled, torn limb from limb, had my skull crushed, and my spine snipped apart at the nape of the neck, then carefully extracted piece by bloody piece, reassembled in a dish (to make sure that nothing was left behind to infect mom - abortions are "safe"), and dumped in a biological waste bin to be incinerated. I escaped that fate, but others do not, so I abstain from meat on every Friday of the year.

I do not understand why you and all the others would not assent to my grisly murder as an infant, as a 50-year-old, or perhaps not even as a feeble and helpless 96-year-old hospital patient, but you would readily take up the speculum and scalpel just because I had an umbilical cord attached.