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by sofixa 1099 days ago
If it had no downsides, it could be an easy choice. But between the dubious morality, war crimes and PTSD, it's hard to compensate regardless of the positives (money, relatively, discipline, physical fitness?)
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> dubious morality

I rendered humanitarian assistance that saved lives in the wake of the Sumatra earthquakes. My friends have done the same after the Japanese Tsunami.

If that were the only things soldiers did. However...

Either way, you did something good. Unlike many of your comrades. You got the lucky ticket that was the thing you were ordered to do (or offered to volunteer).

> Unlike many of your comrades.

What do you mean by that?

Destroying things and intentionally killing. You know, the things uniquely soldiers are trained and desensitized to do.
>Destroying things and intentionally killing.

Neither of those things is necessarily morally questionable.

They are intrinsically morally questionable if not just plain morally wrong. Imagine someone was destroying your stuff you don't want to be destroyed or trying to end your life prematurely you'd very much like to continue. Ah, you might say, but it's not immoral when done to bad people. But you are the bad people according to someone's definition.

If you don't understand how it's more morally questionable than helping victims of natural disasters you are a way worse person than op who naturally chose to say "I saved people from natural disaster", not "I went to hot countries to kill some brown folk and destroy some of their stuff because my commander said they were bad".

I don’t think you have to join the military to do that.
I don't need to join the military to airlift hundreds of tons of supplies from ship to shore in a natural disaster?
I guess op thinks that the supply chain delivers itself in an emergency.
You can do humanitarian aid without using it to whitewash murder and other violence.

We don't have to take the (rather overwhelming) bad with the slivers of good.

I've yet to see large scale humanitarian aid work without military involvement, ymmv. I'd like to see it.. I just don't think I've seen it.
How many military avionics technicians or dental assistants or petroleum supply specialists end up committing war crimes or suffering from PTSD? Come on.

We should be more judicious about using military forces as part of foreign policy, and provide better support to the combat troops who are deployed into impossible situations. But the majority of personnel are in low risk support jobs that aren't much different from typical civilian jobs. Lose the hyperbole.

> How many military avionics technicians or dental assistants or petroleum supply specialists end up committing war crimes or suffering from PTSD? Come on

In some countries, working for a criminal organization, will land you in jail.

You don’t get to choose, once you signed up. They can send you wherever they want.
Bullshit. Most enlistment contracts specify a particular career field. The troops in combat arms are there because they chose that option. The Pentagon isn't going to take a dental assistant and reassign them to infantry unless they specifically request that change (and meet various eligibility criteria).
That doesn’t mean that you can’t be sent to a war zone. I’m sure they needed dental assistants in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
You can choose. Get it in the contract or don't sign.
Your contract specified that you wouldn’t be sent to a war zone? I don’t believe that. You might be able to find a job that’s unlikely to get you deployed.
If the US military starts wantonly changing enlistment contracts, we aren't that far from a national draft anyway, so the distinction is kind of meaningless.
Yes, I'd call all of those (at the very least) accomplices when in a military context.

Good luck bombing anything without mechanics or gasoline, and medical staff helps lower the perceived stakes of war (however slightly).

I assure you that the average US soldier does not have a job nearly exciting enough to be committing war crimes. The average soldier is positioned in a nondescript base in the middle of Kansas changing HMMV tires and engine oil.

It's pretty hard to execute this job with dubious morality.