[ben_w]

> Salt caverns are everywhere.

Do you have a map showing this?

Because AFAICT, they're mainly found in the same places as oil reserves, which is definitely not everywhere.

(PWh isn't remotely surprising for me, let alone insane; it is however necessary scale for any such storage system).

> AD VAN WIJK: By pipeline. That’s the interesting thing: It is about 10 times cheaper to transport energy by a hydrogen pipeline than by an electric cable. That makes it possible to transport electricity very cheaply from somewhere like North Africa to the demand centers in Europe, for example.

First I've heard of that claim; thanks!

[_hypx]

Yes: https://energnet.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/3-Hevin-Under...

And no, they are not the same as oil reserves. And it is the only technology that can realistically scale to PWh. Which is why it is the best and arguably only viable solution to the problem.

[ben_w]

Page 6?

Your sense of scale needs recalibration; overly that with a population density map, that's showing more than half the world population is nowhere near those.

> And it is the only technology that can realistically scale to PWh

It's one of many.

I really don't know why you are so willing to limit yourself at this stage to the best possible forecast for one of the least developed possibilities, while dismissing the ones which have both a large install base and long-term growth trends to extrapolate from.

I'm not going to put all my eggs (investments, small though they are) into one basket, regarding which I expect to "win". Nothing you said caused that, because it's usually me defending H2 from people who think it "can't ever lead" when the evidence is "hasn't been leading recently". You're making just as significant error but by dismissing everything except H2.

I'm reminded of the late 90s, when headlines proclaimed Wicca was the fastest growing religion, and my dad pointed out to me that going from 1 to 2 is a 100% growth rate.

[_hypx]

Most of the world has not had any geographic surveying of them. It's likely that there are everywhere. Look only at the US or Europe for proper maps.

There is an alternative to this: It's called nuclear power. But of course, renewable energy nutcases reject that too.

This is why I insult you people and think you are really stupid. Environmentalists regularly come around and demand radical action on climate change, only to undermine the solution at every step of the way and ultimately make the problem worse. They are as bad as climate change deniers.