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by Convolutional 1113 days ago
So who was fighting the Chinese during the Battle of the Barrier Forts?
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Also

> PRC, Taiwanese and US governments all agree is part of China etc

If Taiwan is just a rebel province why does it matter what they think or say?

By that logic, Taiwan claims all of mainland China. Should we give equal weight to that?

Are we forgetting the spy balloon?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-china-initiated-zero...

> The People's Republic of China has started a number of conflicts, trained revolutionaries, and contributed to other conflicts in Asia. It appears that the "no conflicts" claim was made by Xi Jinping in 2021.

So? Just because it overlapped in time doesn't mean the US played a role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barrier_Forts

> Sailing off the Chinese coast, USS Portsmouth and USS Levant had received news of the beginning of the Second Opium War. The two sloops-of-war were tasked with protecting American lives by landing a 150-man detachment of marines and sailors in Canton.

Aha, so during the Opium Wars, in this battle, the US invaded China, killing hundreds of Chinese soldiers and capturing four forts, but you have some definition in your mind where "the opium wars didn't involve the US". The Chinese have a different opinion.

Also, "the US invaded the country to protect Americans there" is one of the oldest excuses for an invasion in the book. Just thinking of the Caribbean in the span of a few years, it was the stated reason for the US invasion of the Dominican Republic in 1965, and then Grenada in 1983 (the latter following days after the US invasion of Lebanon).

Also this was just one battle in the Opium Wars. The US fought alongside the English in the Battle of Taku Forts, as well as other skirmishes.

> Aha, so during the Opium Wars, in this battle, the US invaded China, killing hundreds of Chinese soldiers and capturing four forts, but you have some definition in your mind where "the opium wars didn't involve the US".

So by this logic, during the ISIS's existence, PRC intruded into India. India is against ISIS. Therefore, China is on ISIS's side?

> The Chinese have a different opinion.

Opinions don't matter though.

So strange you are fixed on a war that long ago. The duration between the last US-UK war and Opium wars is much shorter than the Opium wars and the present. During this time, US helped China by opening up its market asymmetrically and being on its side during WW2 and even gave China aid.

> President Roosevelt approved $25 million in military aid to China on 19 December 1940, permitting the Chinese to purchase one hundred P 40 pursuit aircraft. By late spring 1941, the United States had also earmarked over $145 million in lend-lease funds for China to acquire both ground and air equipment.

https://www.history.army.mil/brochures/72-38/72-38.htm#:~:te....

The aid continues even now:

https://www.usaid.gov/china

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreig...