[lumost]

In the olden days, you could “spontaneously” be productive by spending 2 hours talking to coworkers about something that will never ship - meanwhile the due date for your actual project just went out by 2 hours.

I prefer coworking for the “body doubling” effect. Social pressure keeps my anti-productive tendencies in check.

[derefr]

> Social pressure keeps my anti-productive tendencies in check.

As someone with ADHD, there are a lot of seeming “anti-productive distractions” I use to help me focus, but which would never be allowed in an office environment.

I’ve measured it: I’m more long-term productive at work when I’m also doing chores, talking to friends, petting my cat, watching YouTube videos, etc. at the same time. The social pressure to not be doing these things (or the impossibility of doing these things in an office), starves my brain of the input required to solve work problems. If the only thing I have to focus on is work… then I don’t.

[garciasn]

> I prefer coworking for the “body doubling” effect. Social pressure keeps my anti-productive tendencies in check.

And this here is exactly why mandates are ridiculous. Just because YOU are unable to work remotely or YOUR leader is unable to lead you effectively when you're remote doesn't mean that your coworkers or their leaders are ineffective when remote.

[asoneth]

> Just because YOU are unable to work remotely or YOUR leader is unable to lead you effectively when you're remote doesn't mean that your coworkers or their leaders are ineffective when remote.

This does not match my experience at all. If my coworkers and managers are bad at collaborating with remote workers then I will not be as effective working remotely no matter how good I personally am at it.

Supporting remote work allows a company to attract employees from a larger pool of labor which allows them to to get higher caliber employees while paying the same or lower salaries. It also saves on office costs. I'm not surprised to see more companies doing this.

But doing so also requires adopting culture, processes, and tools across the entire organization. It's not something an individual worker can do on their own.

[commandlinefan]

Of course, you and I both know that this is the first, second, and only reason for RTO: everybody who doesn't know how to program a computer is convinced, and will remain convinced until the day they die, that the only way to keep us programmer grunts "productive" is to have somebody standing behind us monitoring our behavior with a clipboard 40 hours a week.

[lumost]

I cowork, meaning I work in a coworking space I pay for. This is significantly preferable to commuting for an hour each way to my actual office.