[hobbescotch]

I would check out some videos of the Kivu cobalt mines where children work to mine for our cobalt. There are north american mines that are shut in because we chose to instead use child labor in incredibly dangerous mines that frequently have landslides because it’s cheaper. It seems that many only care enough about climate change to greenwash and not think about anything else. There are hopefully new battery compounds on the way but it should be allowed to criticize elements on the energy transition if there are problems. How else do we get nice things without encouraging open discussion? Perhaps it’s an american thing to associate these views with certain labels but I don’t see how it’s related to any political affiliation or gender to have these concerns.

[Gwypaas]

Or just use LFP batteries, like Tesla does in the majority of their delivered cars.

[hobbescotch]

Yes 100%

[_hypx]

The solution is to switch to hydrogen cars and avoid all resource intensive materials. Not to mention that LFP comes with major compromises and most US Teslas do not use them.

[Gwypaas]

How is that working out for Toyota? Hydrogen, or synthetic fuels, has a place where energy density, chemical properties, or ease of storage are fundamental requirements. In other words use cases like: long distance shipping, aviation, fertilizer and seasonal energy storage.

For all other applications hydrogen is a lost cause pushed by the fossil industry.

See the "Hydrogen Ladder" for more information.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/clean-hydrogen-ladder-v40-mic...

[_hypx]

That's pure BEV propaganda. It is pure gibberish.

In reality, hydrogen is guaranteed to win this. BEVs are unsustainable and the whole conversation is based on the delusion of people who have invested too much on that side.

Imagine accepting that hydrogen is fundamental to aviation or shipping, but somehow believing that it is an elaborate conspiracy by the oil companies to push it in cars. That is beyond ludicrous. It is painfully obvious that BEV fans have gone off the deep end and are failing to realize that technology is moving beyond batteries.

[Gwypaas]

Meanwhile in reality: "Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023"

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/26/tesla-model-y-overtakes-coro...

[_hypx]

And it is just a repeat of diesel cars taking off in sales when BEVs where just getting started.

Again, more BEV propaganda and more promotion of unsustainably dumb ideas. A completely waste of time and ultimate missing the point: It is about stopping climate change, not about sales numbers. A point that Tesla fanboys consistently fail to grasp.

[pjc50]

Currently the vast majority of hydrogen produced for industrial purposes is from natural gas, and the resulting CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere. Until that changes it's not a "green" fuel.

[_hypx]

And the vast majority of electricity is made from fossil fuels too. And that figure was far higher when BEVs got started.

This is simply a lazy troll argument, and literally a repeat of old anti-BEV arguments.

[pjc50]

So where's the renewable hydrogen?

[_hypx]

It is coming online as we speak. You are just not aware of it. This mirrors the early days of wind and solar power.