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by kmeisthax 1105 days ago
>noncommercial

This is a water sandwich.

There is no unambiguous single definition of commercial activity in the law: some parts of the law define it one way, some jurisdictions differ as to what is and isn't commercial, and some parts of the law explicitly deny the existence of noncommercial activity (e.g. copyright law). So Reddit has promised literally nothing here.

Furthermore, their explicit goal is to prevent scraping by ML training companies. This is inherently opposed to accessibility. If you add accessibility to copy protection, you weaken the copy protection[0]. So Reddit can either tell blind people to go fuck themselves, or they can accept that there's always going to be at least some backdoor for AI to scrape Reddit.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd.

2 comments

Yup.

Whatever blind dev is making a living providing an app (or other software) as an accessibility layer for the blind over reddit will now have to potentially do so for free.

The hypocrisy of companies that live on user content is pretty amazing. They want to act like we’re all just vibing. And then hey, really sorry, we gotta put a few ads up to keep the servers up and pay the devs ($424mm worth last year). But you wanna get paid for making an app for blind people to use our site? Helllll no.
Or provide a set of steps to generate a client ID and secret to put into their app, right?
.. And how can a developer not charge for their specialty-app?

Reddit is requiring Disabled to use an app developed at the LOWEST COST - this is clear discrimination, in the legal sense.

It may not be illegal, but legally they are "discriminating", based upon the legal usage of that word.

Also fuck those of us who are visually impaired but not blind because I bet their definition of 'accessibility needs' is going to result in a Reddit so limited it's useless to those who need anything other than text only.

I'm visually impaired (on the mild side) and I have a lot of neuro-visual issues. I have a lot of problems with visual crowding, visual sensitivity to stimuli (bright colors, movement, etc.), and have ~ 20/50 vision when corrected. (Or 20/80ish in my glasses at night time which is also when I use Reddit). I use third party apps because I need a lot of their 'cosmetic' features: I can set the colors to not be too much to process (pure white on black or black on white sucks for me), I can set images and videos to hide by default so they don't distract/tire me browsing but I can easily see them if I want to, I can avoid ads (which tend to flash/move or be very glaringly colored and can easily result in headaches), and I can have more fine grain control over text size, where information is located, etc.