[jerf]

You ignored the fact these people are not neutral. They're liars. If they're telling the truth now, they're some of the largest liars in human history. Your hypothetical is irrelevant in this case.

I have answers, but discussing them would just be further excuses to try to dilute away this fundamental truth, so I decline. It's their responsibility to figure out how to be more trustworthy if they want it, not mine. (Helpful tip: They can start by not lying about everything, all the time.) It's my responsibility not to trust known, repeated, huge liars.