[RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm]

The problem IMHO is that it is so well-known that HN hates crypto that anyone who wants to voice a reasonable opinion is likely to avoid doing so in order to not get piled on with downvotes, hatred, etc.

- At least for me that's it, it would be stressful to deal with that so I go elsewhere to discuss the technology.

And this is probably precisely how an echo chamber can be created even without recommendation algorithms.

The "in-group" harasses the "out-group" until all of them leave - or not dare to speak anymore - and only the "in-group" is left.

[matheusmoreira]

> anyone who wants to voice a reasonable opinion is likely to avoid doing so in order to not get piled on with downvotes, hatred, etc

I think refraining from posting due to fear of downvotes is a massive disservice to HN. People should be exposed to views of all kinds. It wouldn't be very interesting if we all agreed. I actively try to post and reply even when downvoted. In the course of doing so I often discover that I'm not alone. Posting freely seems to somehow embolden others to reply as well.

Besides, I've got what 17k HN points? I can't even keep track of them anymore anyway.

[Semaphor]

Downvoting tells you, that this kind of comment is not something the community wants. Of course, I'll avoid posting such comments.

I'm not going to evangelize for seeing other positions, when the majority seems to prefer one-sided views.

[matheusmoreira]

Not at all. It tells you someone didn't like your post. Don't think it's possible to infer anything other than that. Many times I've had posts oscillate between negative and positive scores. It's very likely there are people who agree out there.

[Semaphor]

When certain comments get consistently downvoted, that’s not someone not liking your post.

[matheusmoreira]

There is no consistency. I have a comment at -2 right now. Over the past few days it oscillated between positive and negative scores. Someone replied to it and my response is currently +6.

[southernplaces7]

In those cases its multiple people consistently disliking your posts. This doesn't necessarily make their downvotes any more valid or intelligent, or the post not worth seeing.

[redsky880]

What law of physics or probability prevents a comment from consistently getting downvoted due to a disagreement in opinion?

[Semaphor]

None, but downvoting because of a disagreement makes you an asshole, so that still tells you stuff about the community, or at least those active in certain threads.

[jackvalentine]

> I think refraining from posting due to fear of downvotes is a massive disservice to HN. People should be exposed to views of all kinds. It wouldn't be very interesting if we all agreed.

No evidence for this, but I think more commonly people refrain from posting because if you have a controversial opinion you don’t get one thread of posts to reply to suddenly everyone piles on and you’re “discussing” it with 50 different people.

This is a fundamental flaw in link aggregator style social media where the community is large.

[matheusmoreira]

I've certainly experienced that. Depending on the complexity of the replies, I'll either reply to everyone or choose one of them to respond to.

[jackvalentine]

Yeah I’ve experienced it myself, and am aware that I am often on the other side too…

It’s debilitating to have people throwing their 2c in to a growing tree thread and bounce! At least with linear vbulletin forums of old people would have to scroll past the conversation or look like idiots when they reply something totally out of context.

[matheusmoreira]

I think we've all done it at some point. It's usually a low hanging fruit phenomenon. Someone posts something with an obvious mistake, lots of people notice it and proceed to point it out at nearly the same time. Between refreshes of the page, it looks like you're the first one replying. Most vivid memory I have of this is someone here inadvertently telling the creator of the D programming language he didn't know enough C to comment.

> At least with linear vbulletin forums of old people would have to scroll past the conversation or look like idiots when they reply something totally out of context.

Alternatively, they'd recreate threads via extensive quoting, leading to massive in-line quote trees... Socializing is a messy affair no matter what we do, I guess.

[politician]

The haves and have nots in the HN karma game is precisely the set of people who submit stories and the set of people who merely leave comments. A mediocre story submission trumps a great comment.

So, you have to consider that when talking about downvotes being discouraging— for people that don’t submit stories it can feel very real.

[matheusmoreira]

My karma is almost entirely from comments. Karma is a function of time and participation. If you comment a lot, you'll get points because chances are someone somewhere will like what you said.

I care a lot more about the names of people than internet points. I've commented on threads here only to realize days later I was interacting with the creator of a major programming language. Some people are interesting enough that I've bookmarked their comments page.

[pjc50]

This is really the only way that a discussion can become "settled": one group is driven from the field. Otherwise it's just endless trench warfare of rehashing talking points.

Especially as none of this is new. It's been obvious since the mtgox collapse, nearly a decade ago, that offshore unregulated "institutions" run by small teams of opportunists were going to be extremely risky places to put your money. It's been obvious for a long time that selling tokens to people with the expectation of profit later that could only materialize from selling to others (no fundamentals) was fraudulent, which the SEC is gradually catching up on enforcing.

The remaining questions are political, and as such unresolveable. Delusional people who thing the US dollar has been on the verge of collapse since 1932 vs people stuck in actual collapsed currencies who want access to pseudodollar banking. Europeans annoyingly pointing out that regular bank transfers can be free and quick vs Americans insisting this is impossible.