[ulchar]

> The problem is, this financial backing and support is via VCs, who will steer the project to close it all up again.

How exactly could they meaningfully do that? Genuine question. The issue with the OpenAI business model is that the collaboration within academia and open source circles is creating innovations that are on track to out-pace the closed source approach. Does OpenAI have the pockets to buy the open source collaborators and researchers?

I'm truly cynical about many aspects of the tech industry but this is one of those fights that open source could win for the betterment of everybody.

[yyyk]

I've been going on and on about this in HN: Open source can win this fight, but I think OSS is overconfident. We need to be clear there are serious challenges ahead - ClosedAI and other corporations also have a plan, a plan that has good chances unless properly countered:

A) Embed OpenAI (etc.) API everywhere. Make embedding easy and trivial. First to gain a small API/install moat (user/dev: 'why install OSS model when OpenAI is already available with an OS API?'). If it's easy to use OpenAI but not open source they have an advantage. Second to gain brand. But more importantly:

B) Gain a technical moat by having a permanent data advantage using the existing install base (see above). Retune constantly to keep it.

C) Combine with existing propriety data stores to increase local data advantage (e.g. easy access for all your Office 365/GSuite documents, while OSS gets the scary permission prompts).

D) Combine with existing propriety moats to mutually reinforce.

E) Use selective copyright enforcement to increase data advantage.

F) Lobby legislators for limits that make competition (open or closed source) way harder.

TL;DR: OSS is probably catching up on algorithms. When it comes to good data and good integrations OSS is far behind and not yet catching up. It's been argued that OpenAI's entire performance advantage is due to having better data alone, and they intend to keep that advantage.

[ljlolel]

Don’t forget chip shortages. That’s all centralized up through Nvidia, TSMC, and ASML

[maxilevi]

I agree with the spirit but saying that open source is on track to outpace OpenAI in innovation is just not true. Open source models are being compared to GPT3.5, none yet even get close to GPT4 quality and they finished that last year.

[jart]

We're basically surviving off the scraps companies like Facebook have been tossing off the table, like LLaMA. The fact that we're even allowed and able to use these things ourselves, at all, is a tremendous victory.

[maxilevi]

I agree