[dralley]

Arestovych was kicked out of the administration for making exaggerated statements for attention, he's not a great source.

Accepting a passport alone is not going to be the criteria. The Ukrainian government explicitly recommended taking the papers if coerced to do so: https://kyivindependent.com/official-advises-ukrainians/

[justsomehnguy]

Ah, yes, there were no videos of what the brave liberators did with people they identified as collaborators.

>The Ukrainian government explicitly recommended taking the papers if coerced to do so

How can anyone be coerced to get a passport?

[michtzik]

> How can anyone be coerced to get a passport?

The video you linked to mentions an example: an elderly person getting a Russian passport in order to get medical care (after nine years).

[justsomehnguy]

>> Arestovych was kicked out of the administration for making exaggerated statements for attention, he's not a great source.

Also:

> Compulsion; forcible constraint; the act of controlling by force or arms.

As those people like to say, that person could just go to the Ukraine and get medical care there. Bonus points: wouldn't get shot up as a collaborator.

[dralley]

> that person could just go to the Ukraine

One cannot "just" cross the front lines of an active warzone. This should be blindingly fucking obvious. Especially not with all of the bridges being blown. Especially not when you're elderly, probably ill or injured (they are looking for medical attention, remember) and in all likelihood do not have a vehicle in the first place.

And it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine".

Thank you for showing your colors so clearly. The kind of person who does not see how it could be coercive to force elderly, sick people to leave the place they live (and probably livestock, because Ukraine) and travel hundreds of miles, or to accept Russian citizenship - to get basic medical attention is not worth arguing with.

[justsomehnguy]

* yawn * You are boring.

> One cannot "just" cross the front lines of an active warzone

What exact 'front lines' and 'an active warzone' were for 8 years for Crimea? What forbade an Ukrainian patriot to find the time in 8 years to get from the occupied by evil Russkies Crimea to his homeland and don't be in the need 'to be coerced to receive the passport to receive a medical help'?

> And it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine".

And it's 'Netherlands', not 'the Netherlands', right, because you are the one consistent fellow? And it's also makes sense because English is the first language of the Ukraine, right?

> The kind of person who does not see how it could be coercive to force elderly, sick people to leave the place they live

But somehow you are perfectly fine if those people are coerced by the right guys to leave their places - because somehow people living all their life in Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk, Lugansk aren't a proper humans.

You are boring and specifically take only the points where you can argue.

In the video in question it's specifically said what would happen when Ukrainians would take Crimea. Of course you ignored that to make your point look good in your own eyes.

So, let's try again:

Arestovich would shoot up everyone deemed too Russian, everyone else would be guilt by default and somehow only some elderly people who couldn't make it to the motherland in eight fucking years to receive the so needed medical attention (but somehow found the time to get a Russian passport) would be spared - and you are totally, absolutely fine with all these points.