[zachkatz]

> the former is almost impossible

When you understand how quickly the Netherlands changed (it used to be just as car-centric at the US), you might change your view about what's possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFYOvcOn_E

[estebank]

I believe the GP is arguing against change because they like the status quo. It is not "go there to get what you want", it's "go there so you don't bother me".