[spookthesunset]

If you honestly think sweden has a “10x death rate” I think you are badly misinformed. That sounds not believable at all. Just like the “1 out of 4 (no wait, 10) people suffer from long covid”

10x the death rate is a huge difference. You’d be seeing mass death, far more than anywhere else. It would be extremely visible.

Every ounce of data generated for covid was highly politically motivated and extremely biased. It should all be taken with a huge grain of salt.

[DocSavage]

Sweden had a 10x death rate for the first year of the pandemic vs its direct neighbors. That's the data published by Sweden, Norway, and Finland. You can ignore it if you want or just claim it's "highly politically motivated and extremely biased" because it's against what you want to believe. All Nordic countries did relatively well on death rate, that's why GBD have seized upon Sweden as a success story, but it was obviously worse than Norway and Finland.

When I talk with GBD proponents it always boils down to this: they won't believe the data and make up a variety of reasons why not to trust it, then they turn around and trust far worse analyses like the article comparing Sweden and non-Nordic countries with much worse obesity and far different systems (like the article comparing Sweden vs other EU).

[spookthesunset]

The “death rate” of covid wasn’t the only problem to solve for you know. The myopic fixation on covid to the exclusion of literally everything else was a huge mistake. There is more to track than just “covid death rates” or “covid spread”… covid didn’t exist in a vacuum and asking society to do what it did was so absurd I still can’t believe people bought into it.

It takes immense privilege and a very sheltered life to think covid was the only thing worthy of focus. There is a balance to be had when treating a disease.

People needed to take off their blinders and see what damage their mitigations causes.

Andy point still stands. 10x the “death rate” is massive and would be very visible. It wasn’t. It was only visible if you looked at it with a microscope.

What society did to attempt to mitigate covid was a disaster no matter how well it worked. And the kicker is it didn’t work at all… which is probably why every pandemic plan said explicitly not to do masks and lockdowns and school closures.

[DocSavage]

Glad to hear we've moved from me being "badly misinformed" (now that you took a second to look at the actual data) to now having a "myopic fixation on covid".

Speaking of myopic, please do talk to the families of the ~1200 additional deaths per million people in Sweden and tell them their tragedy was "only visible if you looked at it with a microscope."