That's why in the EU they have introduced requirements for electric cars to make artificial sounds. Sometimes one of them drives past and it sounds like a spaceship from a sci fi movie lol.
This is one of the most retrograde pieces of legislative nonsense imaginable.
Just when significantly cutting noise pollution from motor vehicles in urban areas is finally within our grasp we toss it away by forcing them to make stupid and annoying UFO noises on the grounds of nebulous safety concerns.
There were any number of ways of solving this that would have been less annoying and better for peoples' health[0].
For one thing, most people are able to use their eyes and will learn soon enough that EVs don't make much noise at low speeds and will keep an eye out for them. How do I know this? I live in Cambridge, UK, which is brimming with cyclists. They don't make much noise either, but you learn to look out for them (and very quickly too).
And for those who are partially sighted or blind some sort of warning device + appropriate signal could no doubt have been engineered and legislated.
But, no, we've gone for stupid noises instead.
[0] We now, of course, know that noise pollution does in fact cause health issues and, I'd argue, these outweigh the safety argument.
I don't think you would make this argument if you had seen up close the damage a car can do to a pedestrian. The problem isn't noise. It's that there are two ton vehicles traveling close to unprotected people. Anything that can mitigate that is a good thing. The argument about noise pollution causing health issues is ridiculous in comparison.
I've heard that some EV drivers turn off the sound because it annoys them. They are potentially setting themselves up for a lifetime of remorse.
It's not ridiculous. You need to consider the numbers involved. If one extra person breaks his leg because he didn't look and see the quiet car before crossing the street, that's a fair trade off for reducing the noise pollution for a million people.
Cars are 'less noisy' vs all the things that you mentioned simply because they are omnipresent. They wear you down, grind away at your tranquility, but because they're always there, they do so without you even noticing. A peaceful evening walk is made wearisome by the constant trickle of cars intruding into your hearing. Particularly so in the USA, because the cars there (just like everything else) are vast. Car use in city is a blot on humanity. I wish they would all just go away and be saved for the weekend road trip, or moving house, but not for groceries or commuting.
I have hyperacusis (hypersensitive to noise) and insomnia and I wish all noisy things would go away. I’m one of those people who’s health is severely impacted by noise and I spend a lot of money trying to get away from it. I know that most people don’t have these conditions so they don’t understand how inconsiderate they’re being. It is unrealistic of me to expect others to be more accommodating. If anything people are getting much noisier. I would be exceedingly happy to live in a place where electric cars are the biggest generators of noise pollution. I’ve lived in Europe in walkable cities with little car traffic and it’s worse with drunk revealers singing at the top of their lungs at all hours, parties going until late at night and barking dogs in the early morning. Makes me pine for a HOA controlled gated city suburbia with strict noise controls. Most traffic noise, and especially electric car noise, can be covered up by a noise generator. One place I lived installed an artwork that lit up to different levels depending on the noise pollution, instead of encourage people to be quieter it did the opposite as they competed on who could make the most noise.
You are utterly overblowing one part (noise pollution from EVs, which is really just a bit louder humm, for whatever personal reasons you have) and ignoring the additional, massive and instant benefits of actually saving lives. I definitely appreciate the added noise, so do my small kids, and they don't have to learn this from having school mate killed by ultra quiet car, same for ie elderly. Not living on this planet alone, did you notice?
Noise pollution from ie ambulance, sports car, basically any motorbike, old car, trucks and so on is much much bigger. Where is your outrage for those?
And no, noise pollution from these cars discussed is not causing massive health issues that outweigh people getting maimed and killed by them, thats just your personal preferences (like not owning a car because you are young without a family etc) you would like to push on whole society for whatever personal reasons.
Making life much more annoying at the benefit of a few kids getting run over is not automatically a great tradeoff. As a society, we should be thinking harder about these sorts of conundrums. No one wants to get run over and yeah it's a bad outcome, but how far would you go? How many times do you have to get woken up by an Amber alert before you turn it off?
Maybe his personal reason is that he's absolutely capable of getting out of the way of a car, but he doesn't like noise. That's a reasonable preference. If you absolutely can't guarantee that a kid ends up under a car without the noise, fine, but I doubt that's true.
Sure, we dont live on this planet alone, but that seems like it's more justification for not intentionally making our shared space miserable, not less.
>And for those who are partially sighted or blind some sort of warning device + appropriate signal could no doubt have been engineered and legislated.
What do you have in mind? I can’t think of anything as effective as sound—the blind person needs no special hardware to perceive it, and it can be easily spatially localized.
They turn off over ~18MPH, though. After that, tire noise is much louder. As loud as an ICE car.
So, realistically, you’d hear a Prius if it’s going normal road speeds.
Side note: I wish the sound was more pleasant. When multiple cars are moving in a lot I call it the “choir of the damned”. They’re also louder than ICE cars and that’s kinda lame, we moved backwards WRT noise.
I live in the EU, and EVs are much quieter than ICE cars at low speeds in my day-to-day experience. The volume levels need to be raised significantly from my perspective; they're dangerously low here. There are quite a lot of kids on the roads here, and the difference in audibility between ICE and EV cars is concerning.
Are you saying the typical EVs you hear are _louder_ than ICE cars where you live?
As to the pleasantness of the noise - yeah, that seems to be a manufacturer's choice, or perhaps even driver choice? And let's hope just like annoying ring-tones of years past that the current selection dies out soon...
My RAV4 Prime is much louder than an ICE at low speeds, especially in reverse. It’s so loud it’s sparked a bunch of videos and discussion on how to lower the volume: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q1UqicqdzFE
Some have figured out how to disable it completely (just pulling the noisemaker causes a fault code to trigger) but quieting it down to roughly the volume of an ICE seems more reasonable to me.
That noise sounds bad, and unreasonable. I suppose I've just been lucky not to live near anybody that has a car making that kind of noise.
Irrespective of the volume it is remarkable why any car designer thought that this was the right _kind_ of noise for the car to emit. Somebody chose that soundtrack, and you kind of have to wonder why...
> Are you saying the typical EVs you hear are _louder_ than ICE cars where you live?
ICE cars are pretty quiet where I live. Either that or there is so much ambient noise that I've lost some of my hearing but either way I don't hear much of an engine noise with recent cars.
Oh they're quiet here too - it's just that (most) EVs tend to be almost inaudible. They'll make a very quiet whirring noise sometimes, but the volume is so low that you'll easily miss em.
I don't know the people driving these cars well; perhaps they modded them (seems unlikely, given the neighborhood), or perhaps they're old enough to have escaped new requirements; regardless - they're too quiet here in my sample size of 1 neighborhood in NL.
Volvo plug-in hybrids don't make any noise when driving in EV-only mode. They are super stealthy, you have to be super careful when driving around a car park because no one is aware you're around them.
Regulation in the U.S. requires it: “After several additional delays, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued its final ruling in February 2018. It requires hybrids and electric vehicles travelling at less than 18.6 mph (30 km/h) to emit warning sounds that pedestrians must be able to hear over background noises. The regulation requires full compliance in September 2020, but 50% of "quiet" vehicles must have the warning sounds by September 2019.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sou...
Before this a Prius or any modern car would be dead silent at a stop because of stop-start technology. And even those small 1.6L don't make that much noise when idling.
Now you hear all these cars making their high-pitched UFO sound. And it is VERY irritating.
Just when significantly cutting noise pollution from motor vehicles in urban areas is finally within our grasp we toss it away by forcing them to make stupid and annoying UFO noises on the grounds of nebulous safety concerns.
There were any number of ways of solving this that would have been less annoying and better for peoples' health[0].
For one thing, most people are able to use their eyes and will learn soon enough that EVs don't make much noise at low speeds and will keep an eye out for them. How do I know this? I live in Cambridge, UK, which is brimming with cyclists. They don't make much noise either, but you learn to look out for them (and very quickly too).
And for those who are partially sighted or blind some sort of warning device + appropriate signal could no doubt have been engineered and legislated.
But, no, we've gone for stupid noises instead.
[0] We now, of course, know that noise pollution does in fact cause health issues and, I'd argue, these outweigh the safety argument.