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by trentnix 1111 days ago
I've no doubt the stress of your work is immense and the constant threat of litigation (and the expense of the insurance to fight it) can be overwhelming. As a recipient of multiple eye surgeries (I had strabismus as a kid), I am grateful for competent professionals like you. But I think you buried the lede.

In the 2010s I owned a high-end bicycle and sporting good store. It was 7 days of 10+ hours a day most weeks. And it was very nearly non-profit or barely-profit for most of its run. If you know anyone that owns a bike shop, you should give them a hug. They need it.

Nearly every Friday afternoon, just after lunch, a few of my customers who were physicians or surgeons would pull up in their Model X or Cayenne to get service for their 10k road bike they were taking to their vacation home for the weekend. On more than one occasion, one of them would exasperatedly tell me how much they envied me and how lucky I was to be doing what I "loved". As I confronted my busy, work-filled weekend cemented to the shop to deal with the fickle and spoiled public, I had to chuckle as they drove away in their luxury vehicles to their luxury vacation home with a nicer bike than my own.

In retrospect, I've concluded that the real problem they faced is they'd built a life dependent on a physician or surgeon's income. They were told they were building a castle, but instead they built a prison. The fact is, you just can't spend enough money to truly escape the stresses of your work, but you can certainly spend enough money to become shackled to it.

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> In retrospect, I've concluded that the real problem they faced is they'd built a life dependent on a physician or surgeon's income. They were told they were building a castle, but instead they built a prison. The fact is, you just can't spend enough money to truly escape the stresses of your work, but you can certainly spend enough money to become shackled to it.

This. All of a sudden you go from 70k/year as a senior resident to 400k/year+ as a specialist with no financial education. Add on a decade worth of burnout (especially in training but ~60% in attending physicians) and living in relative poverty (70k/year - interest on $200k in debt doesn't leave much) and you end up with a group of mostly financially illiterate people making up for lost time and depression by overspending on luxuries with their new found income.

If you can believe it I worked with people who made > 1m and started having anxiety that they couldn't cover their mortgages when covid slow-downs resulted in a 25% pay cut.

Physicians are well paid, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise, but it's a really shitty path to earn that paycheck if money is all you want out of the career considering what you give up to get there (e.g. all of your 20s and spending 5 years working 24 hour shifts every 3-4 days and 2/4 weekends) and how stressful the job can be.

Obviously this is a generalization, and no one is forcing them to overspend, but I strongly suspect an element of this spending pattern is driven by unhappiness/regrets based on interactions with colleagues. Medical training is a lot of (very) delayed gratification until you get to the end and realize it is no where near as fulfilling/satisfying as promised.

I know doctors who live a modest lifestyle, so it can be done. The leader of a band that I play in was an ER doctor for a while, then got a job at a walk-in care clinic, and retired at a young enough age to enjoy his retirement. During this entire time, he lived in a modest house, and mostly rode his bike to work. He lived within his means like the rest of us.

There's no law that you have to live a rich lifestyle. Part of that may be feeling the need to maintain the class status that you were born into, and that you expect your kids to be born into. Case in point, my friend came from a working class background.

The grass is always greener in another profession, and my problems are always uniquely bad :)
I have to be honest and say working mostly in Security my pay is good enough and work is easy for me... Mostly I'm annoyed that my employer doesn't get enough projects for me...

I could be paid more, but I wonder would that be worth the extra effort.

from over here it sure looks like mine are worse
> They were told they were building a castle, but instead they built a prison.

The industry term is "golden handcuffs".

> But I think you buried the lede.

> In retrospect, I've concluded that the real problem they faced is they'd built a life dependent on a physician or surgeon's income. They were told they were building a castle, but instead they built a prison. The fact is, you just can't spend enough money to truly escape the stresses of your work, but you can certainly spend enough money to become shackled to it.

I don't know why you're making the leap in assuming that, just because you knew some physicians and surgeons who seemed to be inflating their lifestyle to match a high income, that OP is necessarily doing the same. There's no indication in their post of any of that.

I made the leap because of what the parent plainly stated:

> There's just no reason to do the job when you can get the same compensation working remotely in tech.

Same compensation. That’s the unique qualifier that was chosen. That’s certainly not no indication.

> In the 2010s...

I don't know how things are in the US, but here where I live in Brazil, my doctor friends always tell me how in medicine things aren't anymore as rosy as they were before. It seems like there has been a large increase in the supply of physicians by universities and the younger generations face way stiffer competition to move up the professional ladder than before.

goodness gracious there is a lot to unpack here.

> As I confronted my busy, work-filled weekend cemented to the shop to deal with the fickle and spoiled public

> And it was very nearly non-profit or barely-profit for most of its run. If you know anyone that owns a bike shop, you should give them a hug. They need it.

some serious mental gymnastics to land this hypocrisy. someone else struggling differently? here’s an anecdote about how “their kind” are bad. incredible stuff.

read carefully, your comment suggests you don’t much like anyone other than bike shop owners.

maybe that’s why things felt so hard?

Well Dr. Freud, I was just pointing out anecdotally that perspective is important. That’s all.
yet your perspective seems to be that this doctor and all like them are inferior, your tone drips with it.

why do you think that is?

do you hate psychiatrists? your jump to using “Dr Freud” was rather interesting.