[matheusmoreira]

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil.

It's seriously tiresome having to say this stuff over and over every single time.

[anthk]

I'm from Spain. Lula it's closer to our current social-democratic goverment than communism. It just happens that you are so right-leaned that you don't even realize what are you looking at.

[pelasaco]

Please explain why. Otherwise its just the internet dude saying.

We can go through the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

"Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarcho-communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian communism, as well as the political ideologies grouped around those."

So I'm confident the South America Communism/Socialism is as Communism as your Life-style left, where you support 300 genders and drug abuse. They are all communism, which as wikipedia describes: "Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement"

[impeplague]

First, Lula is adept of the so-called "class conciliation", therefore he is not a communist by any means. Second, Lula is against the idea of a revolution, with makes him a social democrat on the left spectrum, at most. Third, you can't just use US left as a model for the rest of the world. US left (mainly the democrats) is a pale left when placed alongside the Brazillian left, for example.

[matheusmoreira]

> Lula is adept of the so-called "class conciliation", therefore he is not a communist by any means.

That he even mentions this marxist class bullshit is bad enough.

> Lula is against the idea of a revolution, with makes him a social democrat on the left spectrum, at most.

If you actually watch the decades old videos where he explains why he's against it, you'd realize it's because he thinks they don't work as a communist regime installation strategy.

His plan is to do it small bits at a time so that nobody notices. Boil the frog slowly so it doesn't jump, as they say. Since he's a cancerous old guy, he's been accelerating his schedule as of late so it's become a lot more obvious.

[jabradoodle]

This is lazy, learn what communism is; it's not hard.

[pelasaco]

it is so hard because it either doesn't work at all or people trying to implement it didn't get it right.. :)

[jabradoodle]

Wouldn't disagree that it doesn't work

[matheusmoreira]

I know exactly what I'm looking at: a communist. The brazilian government as a whole might not actually amount to a communist state but it's certainly not for a lack of trying on his part.

[pelasaco]

that will be like the case with Russia and China: The leftist are going to start to call it right. Now Russia and China are Right, not Left anymore. Cuba and Venezuela too. North Korea? radical right! Left for them, today, are just Germany and Norway.

[anthk]

Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin.

Please, don't use drugs.

[inglor_cz]

During the 20th century, real-world communism (as opposed to the academic theory) always leaned on ye olde Russian imperialism, which, reincarnated under a new red flag, lent it the necessary muscle. Of course it was awkward to admit that the Communist bloc is actually an extension of the Russo-Soviet empire, so a lot of ink was spilt to recast the Russians/Soviets as liberators, bringers of peace and progress.

As of today, Russia is no longer even superficially left-wing in its state ideology, but the old personal and political ties to the far left in the rest of the world are still there. That is one of the reasons why "tankies" support the invasion of Ukraine and even cloak their support in the same "peace movement" jargon recycled straight from the Cold War era. That is also why countries such as Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua are sympathetic to the Russian imperial project.

Another reason is shared anti-Americanism, of course. The US has a much worse record track in Latin America than in Europe, no wonder that systemic competitors try to exploit it.

[pelasaco]

> The US has a much worse record track in Latin America than in Europe, no wonder that systemic competitors try to exploit it.

I liked your explanation, but this part - I agree with you, thats the sentiment there - BUT it just doesnt make sense at all. Europe exploited much more the Latin America, than US did. US was actually one of the first countries that fought this exploitation.

[anthk]

And? Castro had a friendship on a former right wing minister from Franco's dictatorship in Spain, as they shared some of culture traits and heritage from an Atlantic region in Spain, Galicia. Binding left and right populisms together wont make Russia left-leaned. Neither with do that with China.

[pelasaco]

so in your opinion its Left until it gets dirty, then its Right, and Left is something like Heaven, that people will never reach, but we should still try it over and over again? grow up.

[pelasaco]

> Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin.

Why do you think he is right? Raised and Educated in the Soviet Union, he tries to revive the soviet union, a socialist/communist dream.

> Aleksander Dugin

The guy that created the National Bolshevik Party, which historically defended Stalinism?

> Please, don't use drugs.

I don't do it, that's for communists ;)

[anthk]

>He tries... He tries to revive the damn Tsarist Russia, totally opposite to the Communist values. It's closer to your conservative values.

>That's for... Yeah, as cocaine for CEO's in the 70's, very commie like.

[pelasaco]

Cocaine was everywhere in the 70s, but mostly the Californian CEOs in the 70s were commies.. so thats kind of inline with what I said.

[anthk]

You can't be a Commie and a CEO.

These were Capitalists. A progressive capitalist, yes, but Right leaned economically. There's nothing Leftie on being a poshy Californian with the pockets full of bucks even if you don't give a shit on any religion or Conservativism.

The same way you can't call yourself a vegetarian when you eat a weekly BBQ in a Texan rancho.

[McP]

Sigh. Socialism is not a synonym for communism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

[matheusmoreira]

Whatever. I'm not wasting a single brain cell trying to figure out the academic difference between them. They're history.