[chrysler]

>> So no agreements had previously been made then?

Not according to direct participants like the foreign minister of the USSR. https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-e...

Moreover, NATO and Russia signed a treaty greenlighting NATO enlargement before any official talks with former Warsaw Pact countries started, so whatever was allegedly said or heard prior to that is irrelevant anyway.

>> I'm not supporting Russia's actions here

You are, whether you recognize it or not. Your contrarian take is a made up narrative to justify the war. Makes you feel smarter than the rest while advancing Russian interests and blaming victims for crimes against them.

[f6v]

You’re saying this as if moving the NATO border towards Russia wasn’t going to have any consequences. Everyone realized this and willfully chose the path of confrontation. NATO was created against USSR and Russia is a USSR successor.

[agentgumshoe]

I don't put much credence in an interview where the guy just says "I know nussink" vs the documented evidence that it did.

No I'm not supporting Russia here, I'm saying they were not just acting "out of nowhere," they are playing the same geopolitical war games (and now actual war), as the US is, but the US are pretending they're absolutely the good guys (i.e. pretending they want peace) while shovelling coal into the fire top speed.

It's a war between Russia and NATO/US, Ukraine just happens to hold shared interests and is now sadly in the middle of this disaster of big boys beating chests.

Hence my comment, who's the good guy...

[SenHeng]

And that is the wrong question to ask. It is not a binary option. It's not even a scale. It is dependent on the circumstances of the moment. Right now, who is the one invading another country?

[agentgumshoe]

Israel?