[rglullis]

The amount doesn't really matter.

As a thought experiment: how big would the network have to be for you to start considering paying for access?

The Fediverse (Mastodon, Misskey, Pixelfed, etc) is already clocking in at around ~10M users. How much do you think it would be a "reasonable" amount for a service provider to charge for an account?

[plagiarist]

If they're actually providing a service beyond what's available everywhere else, such as actively removing bigoted garbage or more powerful tools to discover high quality content relevant to me, I'd toss them a few bucks a month. Especially now in 2023. I don't think I would have paid even that much in 2010. And certainly not $50 for a newer and smaller network.

I get what you're saying. I acknowledge I am an anomaly in being willing to pay at all. I just wonder if maybe it was the wrong time ($50 was certainly and still the wrong price IMO) for a paid social network to be successful. Perhaps it could work today with a small subscription.

[rglullis]

See, that is the problem right there: the things that are "beyond what's available everywhere else" are financed with ads, data mining, or both. I am talking about how much you would pay to have basic access to service. The reason that people don't pay is that everyone wants to add conditions to justify their financial support, and this is why we all end up in the mess we are all in.

Now, let me try again: go to https://communick.com/packages and tell me if you think that what I am charging for the basic access packages is unreasonable.

[plagiarist]

Ah, you're irritable because it's personal to you. Yes, people place conditions on what they are willing to purchase, that's... how it works?

Why do I even want to be on Mastodon, let alone pay to be on it, let alone pay someone who is rent-seeking on top of a platform and content they aren't responsible for? Can't I get access to the social network direct from the source, for free?

[rglullis]

> Can't I get access to the social network direct from the source, for free?

For free? No, you can't.

- You (or someone else) will have to develop the software. The source code doesn't just show up magically on github.

- You (or someone else) will have to test the software, triage bugs, help with documentation, etc.

- You (or someone else) will have to pay for the servers.

- You (or someone else) will have to do content moderation

None of these things are free. TANSTAAFL. If you are using it, it will cost you something, it's up to you if you want to pay with your money, your time, or your data.

[plagiarist]

It's funny that you include content moderation in there when that was one of my requests. Are you moderating content beyond your legal minimum requirements?

Come to think of it, did you write all of the Fediverse software you are using? Are you paying those developers monthly? Or did it... appear for free on GitHub? The sense of entitlement here is something else.

I think you would do better if you spend you time thinking of a value proposition instead of being irate at people and demand they pay you. I have no proof you would not be using my data, and I would be linking that (with a credit card) to a real identity. Promising me you won't do that is not a value prop I care about.

[rglullis]

> Are you moderating content beyond your legal minimum requirements?

Yeah, I am. But you know how? By charging for access. It is surprisingly effective at keeping trolls away.

> Are you paying those developers monthly?

Yes, I do support / contribute to their patreon and I also have a couple of PRs on Mastodon documentation to my name.

Time (and my allergy to PHP) permitting, I am also planning to work on Pixelfed and their LDAP authentication.

> I have no proof you would not be using my data, and I would be linking that with a credit card.

You can pay me with crypto as well.