[trabant00]

I can't believe how even a topic about open maps API gets turned into politics. And then gets voted to the top. What was HN saying about Twitter's algorithm? Something about polarization, divisiveness, outrage, etc? It's not algorithms, it's you. You're making online discussion miserable for everybody.

[smcl]

I guess it's voted up because people found the comment interesting. It could have just been "I found a route following a given rule and wrote a blog on it, here's a link if you're interested" but your comment seems determined to turn it into a politics argument.

Meanwhile there is a more interesting subthread exploring an interesting historical and geological reason behind why some of the counties in question leaned Democratic you don’t seem too interested in. Strange…

[trabant00]

"Avoid Republican-voting counties" was completely apolitical before I came in. This is an actual argument you thought makes sense. Ok...

[smcl]

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

[trabant00]

I am an european who clicked on some topic about maps routing only to be greeted by the freaking US politics again. Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out.

And I said by doing this you make online discussions miserable, not that I myself am miserable. If you aim to derail the argument with personal attacks in the form of keyboard psychoanalysis - reading comprehension is very much required.

[mulletbum]

"Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out."

You might have gotten too much internet sun this week, throw some ointment on it and stay in the shade. You are the only person going political in this thread.

[smcl]

If seeing a pretty innocuous comment triggers this kind of response, then you might need to take a breather from the comments. Or click the `[-]` button to hide the reply if you don't want to. But engaging like this is about as productive as having an argument with a brick wall, it's not doing you any good.

[trabant00]

I appreciate everybody's totally genuine concern about my mental health. May I suggest though that you do you and I do me? Take your own advice and follow it. I will continue to post what I think when I think. Over and out.

[samstave]

For over a decade I ran a very famous /r/ with ~2,000,000 subscribers...

I made it a point to have the sub remain Apolitical - total disaster to the point where the corrupt reddit admins got involved and kicked me out of the sub (admins have tons of alt accounts they use to get mod status in /r/'s)

Its very hard to be apolitical at all these days because the constant barrage of damage control and distractions used to shield US lawmakers from corruption scrutiny. And it affects our lives on a daily basis.

Look at the news cycle today. Literally today ; talking about 'running out of money and raising the debt ceiling' - but zero acknowledgement of the ~250 BILLION dollars we have thus far sent to Ukraine for another proxy war. Fuck that.

We have fucking zombies slurping off the government tit (feinstein) and a crap ton of geriatric long time sitters with dementia and corrupt insider activities

https://i.imgur.com/fRlfeB2.png

https://i.imgur.com/aNoLw7X.png

https://i.imgur.com/JRxXvsF.png

https://i.imgur.com/88zALUY.png

[chrysler]

>> Literally today ; talking about 'running out of money and raising the debt ceiling' - but zero acknowledgement of the ~250 BILLION dollars we have thus far sent to Ukraine

A lot of that money exists only on paper. Take a warehouse full of air defense missiles manufactured in 2000, with a cost of $3m per missile and a shelf life of 25 years. If you give 200 of them to Ukraine to defend its citizens from Russian terror attacks, then on paper that costs $600m. If you use "replacement value" as cost and new missiles cost $6m (because they're better), you can inflate their value to $1.2bn. If you do nothing and let them expire, they'll be worthless in 2 years and you'll just write that $600m or $1.2bn off. In either case, accounting reports lots of money spent, but no real money actually changes hands. That money was already spent decades ago and you aren't saving anything by withholding missiles. By giving air defense missiles to Ukraine instead of letting them sit in a warehouse until they become obsolete, you at least do something useful with them.

[refulgentis]

May I humbly suggest coming back to the thread in a couple hours or tomorrow? There’s gotta be a language barrier thing here, you’re being extremely argumentative at length about a noun being used.

This last comment extends, at an uncomfortable level, the politics argument and name calling you started and you’re accusing others of, for no discernible reason.

[exp1orer]

I actually hesitated before posting for exactly this reason, and I don't think you're wrong to be sensitive to this. But you'll notice that there's actually no real political content in the link, nor was there any political discussion in the thread, so I think your response is a little bit of an overreaction.

[nonethewiser]

The project itself is political

[cinntaile]

You don't get any roads without politics in the first place. Everything is "politics".

I don't see the issue with the comment, he didn't assign any judgement to the map. Which is where the politics problem usually arises.

[nonethewiser]

What roads? It has nothing to do with roads - it's purely a map of contiguous democrat counties. Besides, that's moving the goalpast from "its not political" to "well yeah it is political but its ok". It's also a bad example precisely for the same reason you (presumably) think it's a good example people can relate to - everyone agrees we need roads.

Furthermore, clearly some things are too political to bring up in some places. This is not controversial. We can all agree we shouldn't let schools preach political propaganda to our children "because everything is political anyways." Or that churches shouldn't preach political propoganda "because everything is political anyways." This is one such case - it's a divisive partisan viewpoint that is only loosely related to the original topic and has nothing to do with hacker news. I assume the original poster meant no harm but it's still a negative contribution.

[kashunstva]

> it's purely a map of contiguous democrat counties

“Democratic counties”, right? I understand that it’s a common epithet used to deride an opposing party; but if one wishes to remain apolitical isn’t it better to apply the neutrality of using the party’s actual name and conventions of capitalization?

[nonethewiser]

I don’t understand your “gotcha.” Its the Democrat party. Thats what the map is of.

[cinntaile]

> What roads?

The original post is about roads, those roads exist (or don't exist) due to political processes.

> Furthermore, clearly some things are too political to bring up in some places.

Can you please explain what is too political about that post? I don't really get what you take offense at? It's just the result of a vote?

[jaegerpicker]

Every single thing is political. What you eat? political Religious? political What TV show you watch? political What job you do? political. Welcome to modern America where every single thing is a political us vs them shit show. This is the county we as citizens have let be forced on us.

Simple fact most Red's don't want to associate with Blue's and it's the same on the other side. Sure individuals won't agree but they are a minority. If you don't like the project, then just move on it has NOTHING to do with you.

[nonethewiser]

It's a negative contribution. Do you feel the same way about someone preaching political propoganda in a church, business, school, etc. that you aren't a member of simply because "every single thing is political?" And can't we agree that OP's post is not political? Or if it is, the degree is orders of magnitude less than the map of contiguous counties belonging to one party?

It seems to me that "everything is political" is just a way to provide cover for pushing partisan viewpoints places.

[thrwawy74]

This is objectively useful: Now we can build an underground railroad for getting LGBT folks out of Florida and similar states.

[modriano]

It diminishes the horror of slavery to assert that LGBT people experience anything remotely comparable. There are no restrictions on travel for LGBT people (much less restrictions that vary by county based on one election cycle). No one is out there capturing LGBT people to return them to captivity. The majority of residents of every state have come to accept L, G, and B people, and at least 25% of residents of every state accept T people. There's no need for an underground railroad; our many above-ground (ie, not secret) transportation networks are more than capable of safely moving people who can afford to move.

Sure, some states are targeting Trans people with the worst offending state being Texas, whose recently indicated-and-stripped-of-power AG ken Paxton criminalized provision of gender affirming care to children as child abuse. But this map goes across the full length of the worst state for trans people, so I don't really see how that map helps LGBT people.

[tinus_hn]

So edgy that you’re only posting it using a throwaway account. Stop trolling.

[thrwawy74]

Is this edgy? I work in the gov and last week drafted a policy to inform and quickly relocate staff in such states based on their public-facing potential for harm. Quite a lot of our staff is in Florida right now, and legislation continues to roll through.. It's quite real to me. Also I just cycle through throwaway accounts because when I attached my comments to a username I began to self-censor how I speak. The lack of a username helps me think.

[jay3ss]

For what it's worth, I didn't think that was edgy. Sometimes it's a good idea to think about worse case scenarios

[thrwawy74]

It's legit the focus of where I work :c (gestures broadly to everything)

[trabant00]

To build an interstate underground tunnel for evacuating lgbt?

This feels like 1998 on IRC. I'm shaking my head and laughing at the same time.

[tinus_hn]

So your job is to create an undercover network to allow them to escape the clutches of evil republicans. I can certainly imagine that you don’t want to take responsibility for this drivel at work.

[thrwawy74]

Traveling to other states for work is done at the gov expense (for our line of work). If there are extenuating circumstances to remove someone and bring them home quickly, we still have to abide by federal travel regulation to get them home. Otherwise they're stranded in another state trying to arrange airfare or a car + hotel(s) which can be very expensive on short notice:

https://www.gsa.gov/policy-regulations/regulations/federal-t...

My understanding is in Florida you can be arrested for dressing in opposition to the gender you were assigned at birth. If witnessed by a child this can be considered a sex crime, for which sex crimes involving children in Florida are eligible for the death penalty. Do I think this is likely to happen? Yes. The past 4-6 years have demonstrated we keep /hoping/ for de-escalation, but then examples are made that get national attention and evil things become normalized. Can and 'will happen' are subjective, but they did recently make it legal to seize trans kids.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-signs-florida-ban-...

I'm part of an employee advocacy group. It is my role to be sensitive and address concerns some may consider isolated or minute. Things we never thought we'd have to discuss at work are now being discussed to keep (management), employees, and families aware of risks and safe.

What is your definition of evil?

[tinus_hn]

If only the slaves that used the real Underground Railroad could have turned white as easily as crossdressing people can switch to clothing of the proscribed gender.

Try describing a concrete situation in which someone is accused under these laws you speak of, and then is able to escape by simply moving over the state border. Do you live in the world of the Dukes of Hazzard, where they can escape the Sheriff as long as they manage to cross the border? Do you think there are no extradition laws between the states?