[idiomaticrust]

I've got an engineer title from University ;)

(In Poland it's technical title - something in between BSc and MSc)

[Ekaros]

And in Finland(and some other countries in Europe) the MSc in tech is Diplom Engineer. (Entirely separate from Diloma in Engineering).

Thus calling ourselves Engineers...

Programmers can also come from trade schools, but those are not Engineers.