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by idopmstuff 1121 days ago
Just step across.
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From reading the article, it appears that there was a fence (presumably intersecting sections of fence) that had to be overcome. Climbing the fences would be, nominally, stepping foot on those fenced properties. Using the ladder let them go over the corner boundary without actually having to step foot on the other two adjacent properties.

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The fences belong to the private properties (if my understanding is correct) and the ladder lets them technically remain only, with regard to "setting foot", on the public properties.
Clearly, the answer is to build a trebuchet to fling people across.
This is a brilliant "Age of Empires 2" reference.
The fence is also illegal.
I tried to Google about this, but I could not find anything. As one this page, there are no serious discussions about this matter. Can you share a reference?
The actual court ruling is here: https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-...

(kudos to whoever linked it up thread - couldn't find that comment again, but had it open in a tab).

I should have been more clear in my original post:

    The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok.
I meant to ask: Are fences around your lot of land legal? I would think, yes, to protected livestock against predators. However, it would be trivial to add a small space at the corner for people to do "corner crossing" between checkerboard public lands.

Next, the PDF is a great share. I am feasting on it now! Page 7 reads:

    Other than these chained-together signs, there were no posts, fending, or building within one-quarter of a more of the corner.
What a laugh! Thank goodness this kind of behaviour is being overruled!

Another good part (pg7 again):

    [T]here is no evidence the Defendants caused any damage to the Plaintiff's property.
On page 9, the photo of A-frame ladder in action is brilliant! The guy looks so hardcore in 100% camo. This is the like the ultimate HN "legal hack". If you position the ladder just right, all four legs will be in public lands.
Regarding you first point - fences around your land are perfectly fine (barring some other law, like an environmental protection law, zoning, whatever).

But it is illegal to block access to federal public lands. So you’d need to have some way through. Doesn’t have to be on the corner, it could be an easement or whatever somewhere else, but access can’t be blocked.

They intentionally did it to block people though, and try to defacto claim the public land as theirs - which is illegal.

According to this low level judge. The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok.
No, according to the Inclosures act of 1885.
Judges make the law in this country due to our common law system. The law from 1885 may say that fencing off legally accessible land is illegal, but according to the land owner the supreme court said corner crossing is illegal so the fence in this situation would not count, because it wasn't blocking legal access. The question that matters here is whether corner crossing is allowed, the fence question follows.
This is well settled federal law. The landowner was attempting to make up an alternative story while ignoring the settled law. He failed.
Which is also illegal, btw, due to terrible us laws around public land
Blocking access to public lands is a violation of the Inclosures Act of 1885.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/cha...

Not according to this ruling. But still possibly illegal in another federal circuit.
Just build a ladder high enough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

I see you, and raise you Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_us...

Or parachute in. Not sure how you’d get out though.
> Not sure how you’d get out though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery... , also known as "Skyhook" and pretty well demonstrated in "The Dark Knight".

Simple, you could use a Paramotor.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dkRoX-Z6_A

Seems as though it is not illegal, at least according to this ruling?