[acallaha]

To name two Turing award winners: are you asserting that Geoff Hinton and Yoshua Bengio are pushing the AI risk narrative primarily because they're compromised by financial incentives?

Geoff Hinton /left his job/ at Google because he sees the risks as real, so I think that's a tough case to make.

[calf]

I don't like the prevailing cynicism of dismissing the content of the message just because some bad/prejudiced/wrong factions are involved in it. It's not the way I learned to do research and answer questions. It's nevertheless an ad hominem to dismiss an issue just because some people out there are trying to co-opt it. There's a psychological explanation for that cynical behavior: internalized oppression. The focus is put on the morality of the people saying a thing, rather than just looking at the thing and deciding, independent of the existence of those groups, the objective, scientific implications.

If it were a perfect society and people discovered deep neural networks, there would be no excuse to blame bad actors for posing the question of whether AGI is an existential problem or not, and what to do about it. Unlike bad groups of people, the question won't go away. In the real world, it is entirely possible to have to consider multiple issues at once, not at the expense of any issue.

[worik]

> Geoff Hinton /left his job/ at Google because he sees the risks as real, so I think that's a tough case to make.

He did not leave his job when the bias and harm of the existing I models at Google were doing.

He did not quit his job when Google fired their AI ethics champion rather than change their behaviour

Has he had anything to say about the harm Google's algorithms do?

[torginus]

At least that's what he says. Maybe he got an unspecified offer to be the high priest of a to-be influential 'AI safety' organization. In my opinion, just like with the Patriot Act we are seeing a new world order trying to come into being. Come a decade, the few who bother and can learn about what transpires in the near future, will be shaking their heads at present humanity, asking how could we be so stupid and naive.

[JumpCrisscross]

> are you asserting that Geoff Hinton and Yoshua Bengio are pushing the AI risk narrative primarily because they're compromised by financial incentives

Their message is being amplified and distorted by forces that are. That they're both comfortably wealthy from creating the problems they now preach solutions to is also no small matter.