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by moffkalast 1115 days ago
Then Google should be prosecuted.
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That's not Google's primary purpose.
Well, printing was going to be for instruction. And then radio. And TV. And the internet.

We're so instructed we've gotta wear ad-blockers.

Instruction.. on what to buy, how to live and what to want.
Google has enough lawyers to give the EU and US the run around when they want to.

For smaller players, they'd have to think really carefully about whether they want to engage in multi-year litigation with them.

> Google has enough lawyers to give the EU and US the run around when they want to.

Google has paid something like 10 billions dollars of fines in the EU during the last decade. I don’t think they are giving the run around to anyone.

Alphabet is valued at over 1.5 Trillion dollars. If they pay 1 Billion USD in fines per year, maybe their lawyers are actually doing an ok job for their client.
just the cost of doing business at that point
Are you sure they paid it or they were ordered to do so? Most times, the fine is reduced or appealed ad infinitum.
Yeah, lets wait a couple of decades and see how those court cases actually end up.

Meanwhile, Google will just keep on Googling...

10 billion dollars is a rounding error for the GOOG.
Google takes down content when they get notified, rarbg doesn't.
I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at any point in history. Is it a loophole where they take it down, but their indexer then immediately puts it back in the next pass, lol?
> I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at any point in history. Is it a loophole where they take it down, but their indexer then immediately puts it back in the next pass, lol?

No. If you pay attention there can be a message at the bottom of the search results telling you how many results were removed due to takedown requests. IIRC, they used to even link directly to the request, but now I think you have to jump through hoops to see it.

The "loophole" is that a takedown request has to be for a specific URL, so it requires a lot of constant effort to even try to get them all. Pirate Bay always had dupes and a million mirrors.

I'm not being nit-picky or contentious - I'm asking from a genuine point of curiousity ...

but in the case of Google linking to the pirate bay, isn't the pirate bay the one linking to the pirated content? Google is 1 step removed in that node graph because they are just linking to the pirate bay.

I guess if they directly linked to a pirate bay page that had a magent link on it .... maybe (?)

Google seems to refuse removing because, according to them, "Whole-site removal is ineffective and can easily result in censorship of lawful material."

Instead of removing, they just remove links by request.

Sources: https://torrentfreak.com/google-opposes-whole-site-removal-o... and https://www.scribd.com/document/286275022/TorrentFreak-Googl...

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However they did ban Pirate Bay in the Netherlands after a Dutch court ordered them.

https://www.makeuseof.com/why-google-removed-pirate-bay-from...

Isn't this the same loophole that MegaUpload used? Only removing a link to a file, not the file itself with the claim that other links belonged to potentially lawful owners of the file.
A court is unlikely to care about the distinction between actually linking to pirated content, and linking to a page with both instructions and a link to the pirated content. To add, enough TPB torrents contain screenshots.

Also, Google's takedown request handling in Google Search is not a matter of DMCA or a legal matter at all - instead, it's like Content ID, where they have their own system for evaluating takedown requests separate from any law. Rights-holders can still send Google legal requests, but it's easier to go through the expedited processes Google provides that also won't increase rights-holders' liability if they happen to submit a false takedown.

It's been 5 or 6 years ago now, but one night I searched for torrents for a particular movie, and Google returned hundreds of results from a dozen sites... and the next evening they returned 0. I think it was an October.

While I don't doubt that a torrent link shows up once in awhile, Google no longer usefully searches for such things. Or really anything, legal or not. It's more like a purchase recommendation system pretending to be a search engine.

Google used to rule the net. These days they're not even the best search engine for legal content, let alone overall net searching.

Bing and Yandex will get you most everything you want.

It seems Google's tech can't keep up with the scale of the Internet anymore. It simply doesn't index a very large portion of the Internet now.
And a terrible one at that, as it points to the lowest-quality blogspam sludge possible.
Google does not return links to the pirate bay for me https://i.imgur.com/MkAPoFl.png.

At the bottom there is a message that says "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 4 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at LumenDatabase.org" and links to https://lumendatabase.org/notices/27615507

Odd. Google always returns links to the pirate bay for me https://i.imgur.com/tNo6tbB.png

I'm in Canada though. But I did use Google.com.

Canada has relatively lenient copyright laws/enforcement. It's likely that Google sees no legal need to honor DMCA-style takedown notices in Canada.

Here's a guide to the legal status of torrents here with broad categories, from most lenient to most strict (caution VPN spam): https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/torrents-illegal-update-count...

Interesting to note that downloading copyrighted content for personal use is explicitly legal (not just overlooked) in Spain, Switzerland, and Poland.

The picture shows that downloading is illegal only in six countries.
that's a different search query. I did get that same result if I use your query instead. (I'm in the US)

edit: it's also for a "proxy" site. I don't really use torrents or follow TPB happenings and don't know how that is/isn't affiliated.

Linking to the site itself (especially when that’s what you searched for) isn’t the same as linking to a torrent to infringing content would be.
Google will only remove specific URLs, not entire sites/domains. Even if every copyright holder with content on TPB sent a DMCA notice to Google today, new torrents -- at new URLs -- would pop up tomorrow.
Hmm i guess torrent sites can also counter by just not having static URLs for content?
Or by having lots and lots of duplicate static URLs (but only revealing them one by one).
> I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at any point in history.

indeed. as it should, if it's relevant for the search.

Can't speak for rarbg, but plenty of piracy adjacent sites have a DMCA takedown program[0] to operate under this loophole. That way, most content survives but they are "protected"

[0]: https://annas-archive.org/copyright

Changing the url daily works as the dmca complaint refers to a specific page.
Google does not host it links, it's very different.

Google does not store files it should not.

Well, they do, at Youtube. But they're pretty good about takedowns over there. Including of a ton of content that has no reason to be taken down.
Torrent trackers don’t host the content either.