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by Technotroll 1119 days ago
Here in Norway, we call the moose for “elg.” Same in Sweden. Well, almost the same. They call it “älg”. It's very similar to the English word elk, but it means moose, though elk is of course also in the deer family.

While the Northern European moose is smaller than the North American, we still treat it with a lot of respect if we ever come across them in nature. Especially if the moose has calves, you should steer well clear of it, because the mother will attack, and kill or maim you badly.

Sadly, being such a heavy animal – it can easily weigh a literal tonne – it’s also the source of some very serious car accidents, especially on lonely stretches of roads passing through forests, for which there is a lot of on the Scandinavian peninsula.

Being so tall, the car will hit its feet first, and then the rest of the animal will land on the bonnet and window, often crushing the driver and passengers.

Worst of all, they like to trek at dusk, or when the light is dim, so if you’re ever on a lonely, forested stretch of road during that time, you need to keep your eyes peeled. On top of that, that’s the time of day when the pelt disguises them the best against the surrounding nature, so you really must keep on your toes when driving during those hours.

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I remember half a lifetime ago when I was on my way to start the paper delivery rounds (I had to pay for my Amiga equipment somehow!) on my little 50cc scooter - probably around 5am in the morning, in a small place in Østfold, Norway.

Suddenly rounding a corner on a semi rural forest road I saw something in the corner of my eye up ahead; I hit the brakes and then there was this massive elg crossing the road ahead of me, certainly not quite far enough away, turning its head to give me a fair bit of eye as its little ones followed.

I just sat there perfectly still for a few minutes, not giving it any reason to investigate me further - then kept going, still awestruck by what I had witnessed.

The Kangaroos and Wallabies I've come across down under whilst mountain bike riding are cool and all, but they don't hold a candle to the experience of a close encounter with a properly grown elg. Ah, the memories.

I'm an Atari ST guy myself, so now we can never be friends... But I gave you an upvote either way. ;) Jk, I had a lot of fun with Amigas too, when I grew up.

I remember pitching my tent in somewhere in the deep forests of Västra Götaland in Sweden. I had found the perfect spot with a soft, mossy surface. Little did I know that I'd get no sleep at all, due to the entire place being infested with rodents running like mad underneath before I got into real trouble.

When it started to dusk, I noticed slow thumping and the cracking of twigs beyond the small hill across the road not far from me, so I unzipped the opening and stuck my head out of the tent to see what was going on.

Then after a while, some majestic antlers crested the hill, and the biggest moose I've ever seen appeared before me. It was clearly minding its own business and having a great day. Until it saw me, that is.

It stopped dead in its tracks while ogling me. Then it snarled and sighed heavily, kind of like Sprocket - the dog in the Fraggle Rock Show - would make when fed up. It was clearly annoyed. Then it slowly turned, and trotted the other way, obviously quite irritated by having met some dumb camper.

During the night it got much worse, however. Except now it was pitch black. Suddenly I noticed the thumping again, from the same direction as earlier. And it was coming closer.

But this time, when I stuck my head out of the tent, I couldn't see anything. The night was pitch black. I couldn't even make out the stars in the sky. So, I quickly decided that it was a bad idea to light the torch. I didn’t want to become the only lighted target in all that darkness.

Meanwhile twigs were cracking. And the thumping just became louder and louder, and closer and closer. Thump.... Thump.... Crack some twigs.... Thump.... It was really slow, but also deliberate. And it was clearly headed straight for my tent, even though I couldn't see anything in the dark. For each thump the dread in me kept increasing.

At first, I tried yelling at it. This would stop the thumping for a bit, like the animal was assessing what was going on and sniffing the air for a bit. But then he just continued. So, I pulled out some pans I had and started desperately clanking them together while yelling into the night. But to no avail. The slow thumping just continued. Coming ever closer. Towards my tent. I've never felt so small and helpless in my entire life.

At some point I decided that I'd had enough, and I ran like a panicked little chicken to the car parked a few hundred metres away. Then I simply waited until I couldn't hear the thumping anymore and went back and dismantled the tent and slept in the car.

I had lost, and the King of the Forest had won.

> While the Northern European moose is smaller than the North American, we still treat it with a lot of respect if we ever come across them in nature.

Smaller deers are dangerous and you need to be careful with them. In Spain the largest deers are red deers (males over 200kg are very rare) and there are a few cases of people killed by them. Even small females are dangerous enough to kill healthy large man.

Even roe deers, which are quite small (maybe 30kg a larger male), can cause serious injuries because they are crazy agile and fast and their antlers are quite sharp. Here's a video of a man trying to feed one: https://www.club-caza.com/files/videos/Ataque-de-corzo-a-per...

Deers may not look dangerous because they are herbivorous and cute, but they are.

Deers may not look dangerous because they are herbivorous and cute, but they are.

Good advice, and not something most people think about. As a general rule, all wild animals should be treated as dangerous and not cute and harmless. Even a baby squirrel will scratch the shit out of you. Cute little bunnies? Yeah, watch what happens when they're cornered and think they nothing left to lose. Experience says birds might be the one exception, though I've never tried to get close to an eagle. :-)

If it has claws, teeth, and doesn't live with me in my house, I treat it with a respectful distance until I have reason to believe otherwise, no matter how cute it might be.

Cows are docility personified.

But there are many videos of their wild African cousins destroying lions.

> Here in Norway, we call the moose for “elg.” Same in Sweden. Well, almost the same. They call it “älg”. It's very similar to the English word elk, but it means moose, though elk is of course also in the deer family.

The word "elk" in English just means a moose:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk#Naming_and_etymology

In North America there is an animal which is not a moose, but which are "for their unusual largeness improperly termed Elks by ignorant people"!

> Sadly, being such a heavy animal – it can easily weigh a literal tonne – it’s also the source of some very serious car accidents, especially on lonely stretches of roads passing through forests, for which there is a lot of on the Scandinavian peninsula.

A Swedish friend told me that if you take your driving test in northern Sweden, there is an extra section about emergency stops, precisely because of moose danger.

> The word "elk" in English just means a moose:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk#Naming_and_etymology

> In North America there is an animal which is not a moose, but which are "for their unusual largeness improperly termed Elks by ignorant people"!

I'd say at this point in time the word "elk" in English means elk, not moose, at least in North American English. The article you linked to is in fact an article about the North American species of animal called elk, or Cervus canadensis. The quotation you cite is from 1672.

I think you have it backwards. North America has Moose[0] (called elk in Eurasia) and elk [1]. I've seen them both in person.

  [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose
  [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk
The description of a moose that I like is, "1000-pound rabbit on stilts." Gives you some idea of the size, and the threat model as a car driver.