[xyzelement]

I hear this but I don't experience it.

Living in NYC as a poor immigrant teen 1990s through upper-middle-class (or whatever) adult through 2021, I did not feel "terrorized" by the NYPD.

Now I live in a small town not far from NYC and the police are literally part of the community, it's a few dozen folks that most people in town know on first name basis. No terrorizing.

To be clear, as someone who grew up in the USSR, I am certainly in sync with the idea that police can be oppressive, it just does not resonate at all with what I see in my now 3 decades in the US.

[laratied]

Of course this is reality.

There are just many privileged people here that are so insulated from reality they confuse their insane social media political talking points with actual reality.

The counter argument is always some straw man pulled from news headlines.

[kevviiinn]

Did you grow up as a black american? People from different communities have radically different experiences, which is why we see denials such as yours

[xyzelement]

Did you?

FWIW I grew up very much "in the hood" in Brooklyn.

[goolz]

No, but I agree with them. I live in the hood and am white and live an easy life compared to those who are not. Get some perspective.

EDIT: and my whole family is from BK, what was once filled with immigrants is now filled with the rich and privileged in most parts. All I am saying is that if you wanna use anecdotes so can I. Brown people in this country are systemically treated like trash. I see it every day. I don’t fear my life but I sure would if I was a 16 year old black kid in my city (Philadelphia).

[A4ET8a8uTh0]

I come from the old country that has ( maybe had? ) fairly homogeneous population. We still had locations you did not go to after dark, pathology that rivaled some of the ghetto stories and police that could abuse you if they so chose ( communism - cops could really do whatever ). I posit that the issue is poverty and people. We just kinda suck as a species. I am saying it is not the skin color. I am saying it is generations of living in ways that make integration into society somewhat hard.

<< Get some perspective.

I believe parent is correct. Immigrants from Africa are able to prosper in US, because they are not bound by culture infused in them by the 'street'. The fact is he made it out despite being the 'wrong' color.

[bilbo0s]

Immigrants from Africa are able to prosper in US

Only they are not.

Per capita, they go to prison at a rate far higher than any other group of immigrants in the US. Even more surprisingly, they go to prison in higher absolute numbers than any immigrant group other than hispanics. There aren't even close to as many African immigrants as there are hispanics, and yet the Africans still go to prison at a rate far higher. Literally, no other group of immigrants does worse than Africans in this regard.

Economically, the majority of African immigrants occupy the lower working classes. Even when controlling for generation, (ie - only comparing second generation immigrants), hispanics do better at the mean.

Perhaps you meant to say that African immigrants do slightly better than Black Americans at the mean? Because other than Black Americans and Native Americans, African immigrants do better than literally no one else in society. Immigrant or non-immigrant. I certainly wouldn't call doing far worse than Hispanic immigrants "prospering".

Mind you, there could definitely be other reasons for this. It's not that we should jump right to, "Well, it must be racism!" We need more info to make such a determination. But the demography based socioeconomic facts illustrate that the group you claimed to be "prospering", is clearly not "prospering". They don't even manage to get to "matching" the success of other immigrant groups. Note: I was extremely kind to them, and left Asians out of the comparison.

[A4ET8a8uTh0]

Could you provide me with the data source for that? I might be wrong on this and I am more than willing to acknowledge that as my source in this case is more anecdotal than anything else, but I am curious as to what allowed you to draw that conclusion.

[kevviiinn]

I don't need to have in order to believe the blatant evidence, I'm only saying that generalizing your own personal experience to say that my claim is wrong is wrong itself. Police abuse is very well documented

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs

https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...