[heresie-dabord]

> modern IDEs and editors give us all the type information we could want, and these tools made sigils obsolete.

I like to rate a programming language by how dependent the language is on some bloated IDE ("editor"). If I need an Eclipse or a Pycharm just to edit a file, something has gone wrong syntactically and systemically.

Sigils are semantic information about the code. Sigils do not reduce readability, they increase expressivity and comprehensibility. It isn't the characters themselves that are the problem -- we see the same notations for different purposes entering Python and DSLs such as Pandas.

Bash, awk, sed, and Perl are solid tools.

[scubbo]

> I like to rate a programming language by how dependent the language is on some bloated IDE ("editor")

I like to use the tools that make me and my team the most efficient.

[stephc_int13]

sed and Perl scripts are very often extremely hard to decipher.

I've used both extensively a long time ago when my workstation had a Sun Microsystems logo on it (yeah I am that old) and I remember having problems to read my own scripts a few months later.

I don't miss those.

Words are the better sigils.