[davidu]

DNSSEC is easily the worst upgrade, multiplying complexity and brittleness, with the least amount of net benefit (without even adding encryption), that could have been solved in much simpler ways, that the Internet has ever attempted -- and that's including IPv6 (which is now quite workable).

Speaking as someone who most people consider a DNS expert and actually did help develop and deploy something substantially additive that is in widespread use today (DNSCrypt). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[oittaa]

At this point it feels like DNS should be given to Cloudflare or Google and let them design it from scratch.

I'm only half joking.

[XorNot]

I'm not real enthused about Google doing standards. OAuth/OAuth2 are both so half-baked that we now have OIDC built atop them to try and make it look like a consistent workable standard.

Google is very enthusiastic it seems about things which force users to use Google Chrome, and very unenthusiastic about users doing anything easily from the command line because it has the notable quality of removing a place you can show ads.

And what I note about the whole OAuth ecosystem is that you wind up having to puppet a web browser in order to get through sign-ins and the like. "Oh but you do it infrequently" says every single company implementing their own bespoke way of entering a username, password and TOTP while salivating at all that unused <div> space for ads.

[1vuio0pswjnm7]

"Google is very enthusiastic it seems about things which force users to use Google Chrome, and very unenthusiastic about users doing anything easily from the command line because it has the notable quality of removing a place you can show ads."

What else would we expect from an advertising company.

[throwaway892238]

Or both.

The story of Ethernet is kinda interesting. Invented in 1974 at Xerox PARC, the inventors started a new company called 3COM in 1979, and worked with IEEE, as well as DEC, Intel, and Xerox (called the DIX - I'm not kidding) for all of them to join forces and support one new standard. IEEE project to standardize it started in 1980, and formal standard publication happened in 1983. International (ISO) publication was in 1989.

Business decides what becomes the new standard, because the biggest businesses are whom everyone is dependent upon. So the biggest companies do set the new standards. Google has been doing that for years, using its search market dominance and custom browser as carte blanche to shape the web as it sees fit. CloudFlare has come in the back door, and doesn't have anywhere near the same influence, but does control a powerful market segment that is growing. Add in the cloud providers, and that's most of whom actually matter in terms of where the web goes.

Where the "internet" (sans web) goes is, I think, more up to the operating systems and ISPs. But since everything has been pushed into the web to avoid the manipulation of the "middle boxes" (ISPs and corporate networks), the end result is the people who control 'the web' (Google and CloudFlare) can now dictate terms.

[silisili]

For sure. DNS is definitely something that should either be canned after 2 years, or protected by 50 captchas.

[teddyh]

What we would get is some Google/Cloudflare protocol which “incidentally” centralizes everything to them, not to any TLD operators (i.e. governments) or user agents.