[theshrike79]

Reliable source for movies and TV-Shows - even rare ones.

And zero chance of being picked up by copyright watchdogs who download the whole swarm's IP addresses and send legal notices to each one fishing for ISPs that will give their user's data without a warrant.

[symlinkk]

“Zero chance” is bullshit, they could easily join a private tracker and look for IPs, they just don’t currently because private trackers are not widely known.

[akiselev]

They’re widely known enough to have their own wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_sit...

One site on that list, for example, TorrentLeech.org has been around for almost 18 years and has hundreds of thousands of active users. In fifteen years I’ve never had an issue.

There are also foreign language trackers that are largely immune like rutracker.org - you just have to make sure to download the English versions

[suddenclarity]

Is TL really the same site it used to be? I have a vague memory of losing my account and the site shutting down 10+ years ago. When they came back, they offered open sign-up now and then. Made me avoid it.

[that_guy_iain]

Well my account has been active for 15 years. I've never had any period where I can remember that it wasn't working.

[katbyte]

last they had open signups checked it out and i didn't find it to be anything special or give me a reason to move away from IPT (which is from what i understand mid tier?)

so of course i didn't use it enough and was banned for inactivity

[miki123211]

It's actually harder than it sounds. To scrape IPs from a public tracker, all you need to do is to download the torrent, pretend to the tracker that you want to join the swarm (without actually sharing any content) and you get a nice list. On a private tracker, all your activity is linked to an account and the tracker knows how much you upload / download. If you are a copyright owner, actually seeding content is probably a terrible idea for legal reasons, and you'll quickly run afoul of ratio requirements and get banned if you do not do so. Besides, if users report which torrents they're getting copyright complaints on, it won't be hard for staff to figure out which account tried downloading all of those and has 0 upload activity on them.

[mindslight]

Copyright trolls not being able to upload chunks seems like a myth along the lines of "if you ask a cop if they're a cop, they have to say yes". It's easy enough to create a separate legal entity that doesn't have any rights to distribute a work, and then sign an indemnification agreement for any copyright violation that happens in the course of investigation. And if you wanted to be real paranoid, mod the client to never transmit say 20% of chunks, so even if some court finds that participating in a swarm at the behest of a copyright holder is constructive distribution, that last 20% is still actionable.

[miki123211]

Even if this is true, there are several difficulties with this approach, you'd need to figure out a way to refuse clients from countries where you have exclusivity deals and aren't allowed to distribute, which would quickly be noticed. Besides, if the problem got big enough, tracker staff could require users to seed a few different torrents from different studios before having their accounts fully unlocked, and studios would never seed others' copyrighted content. Sure, you could defeat that with studios having contract between each other and so on, but that's yet another difficult problem for them to solve.

The risk and effort is probably not worth the reward, considering how many public tracker users are there.

[mindslight]

You seem to be thinking that movie studios can only operate as singular entities and in system-legible ways.

What I'm imagining: someone who is mildly connected to execs at various studios/labels starting a company that participates in private trackers, and then passes information about infringement/infringers onto studios. They would only need one or two studios as clients to prove the concept and (informally) prove the idea to the rest of the industry. Their agreement with client studios includes an agreement that they won't be sued for infringement that occurs in the process of finding (other) infringers, doesn't include any license to works, and certainly doesn't include the ability to sublicense!

Sure it's possible that when this eventually goes to court, a chain of "activist" judges might go against the status quo of a company taking steps to protect its "property" - discard corporate veils, call the investigator's uploading an implicit sublicense, etc. It's just not likely, and the failure mode still would be individual licenses for the specific downloaders that were in the swarm at the time, not blanket rights to redistribute indefinitely.

[Dylan16807]

Both of those sound like the kind of shenanigans a judge wouldn't look kindly on.

[theshrike79]

Close (enough) to zero then.

Most good private trackers have an invite system, you can't just join one on a whim and get access.

Their process is profitable enough just by scanning the well known ones so they don't need to bother with trying to get access to private trackers.