[georgeplusplus]

I think you misunderstand my point and unfortunately come off as not civil in your reaponse, I'm not for civil forfeiture at all. Don't steal. I was surprised you support civil forfeiture and even have an air of mightier then thou since you believe the things stolen to go to a good cause.

You're also conflating criminal forfeiture with civil in your example.

[Ekaros]

I think question really is in what part of process the forfeiture happens.

In Europe it is after the judgement as part of it. So the tools used in crime might be taken away. A gun in armed robbery. Maybe getaway vehicle if it is used multiple times. Special tools used for breaking in.