[briHass]

The thing that always bothers me about 'x is bad for you' arguments about food is: what is the alternative food that provides similar positive things without the supposed harms? I'm assuming the case here is against dairy in general, which can provide easily digestible protein, a mix of fats, and B vitamins with a minimal amount of carbohydrates. Besides lean meats and eggs, you aren't going to find other sources of those things in similar ratios in easy to consume quantities.

[haldujai]

The other thing with "[specific food/drink] is [good/bad] for you" is that it's nearly impossible to study at baseline with a million confounders so it's all hypothetical pseudoscience at best.

Living a life of generally avoiding processed foods and sugar as well as emphasizing lean meats/protein and vegetables is probably the best thing any of us can do for ourselves whatever that combination may look like for an individual.

Anyone who makes a claim that anything specific is beneficial is almost certainly talking out of their ass or selling a product.

Recall the food pyramid, the greatest corporate pseudoscience scam ever pulled. There was also a generation that was told "butter is bad for your health".

"- hormones from the cows and their supplements is in the milk and impacts our hormone system in negative ways

- antibiotics used excessively in cows are in the milk and have negative affects on an individual level and might also contribute to the bacteria antibiotic arms race

- saturated fats are generally bad and should be minimized in the human diet. Milk is full of them and they are direct causes of heart disease and other top killer health issues for people"

None of this is supported by evidence, picking the last argument as an example:

> Multiple reviews of the evidence have demonstrated that a recommendation to limit consumption of saturated fats to no more than 10% of total calories is not supported by rigorous scientific studies. Importantly, neither this guideline, nor that for replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats, considers the central issue of the health effects of differing food sources of these fats. The 2020 DGAC review that recommends continuing these recommendations has, in our view, not met the standard of “the preponderance of the evidence” for this decision."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541481/

[briHass]

I would add that energy balance (i.e. don't get fat) is probably the most important thing, assuming a reasonably healthy diet. Conversely, there's no diet that will save you if you're carrying excess pounds and/or are gaining weight beyond what is the ideal body composition.

Many of the diet studies, as poor as they are, that show beneficial changes due to diet almost always involve fat loss from baseline. Whatever diet can satisfy you and keep the weight down appears to be the local optimum.