[Joeri]

The point of democracy is not that everybody is perfectly informed to come to the logically best outcome. The point is that it gives a people agency over their own future. If they choose to be ill-informed and pick bad candidates, they own the consequences. Democracy does not lead to the best outcome, but to the most fair one.

[laratied]

The only real value I can see with democracy is in being able to pull the lever and get a new set of dice to role if things go bad.

Beyond that it seems to be mostly mythology and nonsense. You either have smart good rulers or you don't. At least if we don't they only have so much time to do damage and we try again.

The idea democracy gives people agency over their future I would put in the category of mythology.

[phs318u]

> they own the consequences

No. We own the consequences.

> the most fair one.

The most fair, yes, probably. The fairest? No. Though I’ll admit I’m stumped (though in good company I suspect) as to how to possibly achieve the fairest outcome. I suspect it’s a platonic ideal, barring a Star Trek reality coming to life.

[Loquebantur]

Not having the solution ready doesn't mean it wouldn't exist at all.

Humans are very diverse in their abilities and society needs to account for that. Division of labour is key here.

Not everybody needs to decide on or be informed about everything. What is necessary is transparency, accountability and the resulting trust in those responsible.

Our societies are so messed up in that regard, we don't even consider that being possible anymore. But it is.

[account-5]

That's certainly what's wrong with democracy.

[still_grokking]

People?

[account-5]

No. None of this stuff works without people. There's a reason we have representative democracies instead of true democracies. Why we elect people to make those decisions.

I'm not saying it's working but I don't think true democracy would work any better either because the underlying issue with democracy is you're relying on ill informed people, people who don't understand either the issue upon which they vote or the consequences of a vote either way, to make decisions.

People easily manipulated by social media filter bubbles and ridiculous slogans. Or in our current democracies just money.

I think democracy is probably the best we've had to date but it's showing its flaws.