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by nemo44x 1159 days ago
Correct. ChatGPT is a bullshitter, not a liar. A bullshitter isn’t concerned with facts or truth or anything. A liar is concerned with concealing the truth.

Bullshitters are actually probably worse than liars because at least liars live in the same reality as honest people.
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threatofrain 1159 days ago
It's not obvious that a bullshitter is "probably worse" than liars. Just because a bullshitter didn't care to research whether some vitamin pill meets marketing claims doesn't mean they're mentally volatile or psychotic. It's a bit of a leap to go from bullshit to asking whether a person lives in the same reality as everyone else.
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nemo44x 1159 days ago
The idea is that bullshitters are a greater enemy to the truth than liars because liars at least know the truth. You have to know the truth to lie about. Bullshitters have no concern for the truth at all and bullshit may or may not be true. The bullshitter doesn’t care, so long as their goal is made.
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threatofrain 1159 days ago
> Bullshitters have no concern for the truth at all and bullshit may or may not be true. The bullshitter doesn’t care, so long as their goal is made.

How is this different from a liar?

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nemo44x 1158 days ago
Liars know the truth and actively conceal it. Bullshitters don’t know or care what the truth is.
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threatofrain 1157 days ago
A bullshitter most certainly can care about the truth. A lot of people speak on the outer limits of their knowledge, such as when they talk about what's healthy or legal. That does not mean that they will carry on cynically after being informed.

The liar is cynical and is the one who sees the truth and tells you to go the wrong way.

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whitemary 1159 days ago
Liars (humans) are often unconcerned with facts or truth either. More often these days, they are only concerned with profit. Are unconfirmed lies in the pursuit of mere profit somehow not lies?
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nemo44x 1159 days ago
This book [1] covers it.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit#:~:text=The%20li....

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whitemary 1159 days ago
No, it does not. I have read the full text and it was garbage to my mind; another nonsense apology for liberal society's degeneracy.
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nemo44x 1159 days ago
I’m curious how it apologizes for liberal societies degeneracy? I’ve read it as well and appreciate the nuance in differentiating the concepts regardless of which type of system you are in. For instance, the concepts are relevant in a reactionary system just as much as a degenerate progressive one.
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dendriti 1159 days ago
The Right's devotion to truth and honesty in politics and society should serve as a beacon to us all.
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