[aledalgrande]

> even if you factor in the cost of your time you should come out ahead

There is always the hidden cost of not spending time on activities that are core to your business (if this is indeed for a business) that would make multiples of the money CF costs you.

[midasuni]

Yup. Managing the CF account is a hidden cost you need to account for.

[j45]

There is more and more that can be done like proxmox to help make self hosted as much as an appliance as anything else.

[dinvlad]

That, and also NixOS - I’m discovering it for myself now, and it’s been a revelation! Configuring absolutely everything declaratively from scratch, even the disk partitions - a dream for reproducibility. It even has configurable “micro-VMs”, which would not be as easy to do via Proxmox (not counting LXC), since they would have to be built manually. Though Proxmox does have some nice benefits over it as well, especially considering their ecosystem with PBS, mail server etc

[j45]

Thanks for the intro to NixOS. I was trying to remember one I had seen & forgotten and I think this may have been it.

I have been playing more and more with UTM in the Mac world and it's encouraging how mature it seems already and hopefully can be picked up into NixOS, Sandstorm, etc.

I like proxmox more personally, however have changed my stance recently where nix and sandstorm could just be run in a proxmox vm and then provide more of an IaaS role. The newer versions of ProxMox are even easier and they were pretty OK the past 5-7 years.