[silvestrov]

> these systems are full of nasty people

This is everywhere. Paying out of pocket does not fix this.

[bjornsing]

One more important difference: It’s terrible to die on a park bench because you can’t support yourself and other people won’t help you. But in my mind it’s worse to die on a park bench because the state extracted 60-70% taxes from you, and now won’t give you even a small portion of that back. To me that’s just inhuman…

[bjornsing]

It does in one very important way: You don’t have to keep paying the exact people who victimized you.

[rejectfinite]

You can change hospital/primary care though?

And any country has a connected system. If not taxes then its gonna be insurance.

[bjornsing]

> You can change hospital/primary care though?

By law, yes. In practice, no.

I think this is what may be hard to understand if you haven’t experienced it: if you fall far enough in Swedish society you are essentially dehumanized.