[lemarchr]

I don't understand why there's so much negativity here. From my cursory perusal of the docs this looks like a simplified, vendor agnostic re-imaging of something like CDK, with cool tooling including visualisations and out-of-the-box support for local dev. Where's the beef?

You think cloud is too expensive or unnecessary? Fair enough, this tool is not for you.

You think cloud infra is necessarily complex because you need to support <insert use case here>. You're right! This tool is not for you (yet?).

You don't need this because you already know <CDK / Terraform / whatever abstraction is already in your repertoire>? I agree, the juice is probably not worth the squeeze to learn yet another tool.

Are you approaching cloud for the first time or have been managing existing simple infra (buckets, queues, lambdas) via ClickOps and want to explore a feature constrained (hence easy to grok) Infrastructure as Code solution? Maybe give this a look.

While it's still early days, I suspect there will be many who will find this useful, and congratulate the authors for their efforts!

[toiletduck]

> simplified, vendor agnostic

I just don't see this being true. Being "cloud agnostic" likely means it's an incredibly leaky abstraction where at the first sign of trouble, you're going to have to understand winglang + the specific provider API. Any IaC product requires you intimiately understand what it's actually doing if you care about security and performance. Just because it's a managed service doesn't mean you get to ignore all it's implementation detail, right?

All the cloud providers give you a function as a service, or a nosql database, or a file bucket: ignoring all the nuance as an agnostic is at a minimum leaving optimisation on the table and more likely dangerous and expensive, surely?

[shaiber]

Hey, I understand where you're coming from, but I still think there is room abstraction when done right. I wrote about it here: https://docs.winglang.io/faq/why-cloud-abstraction

[nathants]

have you considered related but distinct products for each cloud? like flavors of soda from the same company.

many users are single cloud, unless your primary target is multi cloud enterprise.

there is benefit to multi cloud facade, but i’m not sure it’s worth the cost.

regardless, cool stuff!

[fulafel]

To add, CDK is quite distant vs this - it's AWS proprietary, painfully slow testing cycle, lots of limitations & faults leak in due to being based on CloudFormation, has nothing like the compiler plugins, etc. Plus the stuff in https://docs.winglang.io/faq/why-a-language

[jpraczyk]

https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-cdk uses CDK's constructs