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by learc83 5228 days ago
>Most university departments are rife with ideology and are hostile to conflicting views.

>I'm going to ignore this bit which sounds suspiciously like right-wing propaganda.

You don't like this part of the argument, so instead of refuting it you declare it "propaganda" and move on?

Look at the campaign contribution numbers of university professors and tell me that they aren't incredibly one sided.

I don't think you'll find anyone who will seriously argue with the premise that there are far more left leaning than right leaning professors.

Anecdote: When I was in college, I was much more conservative than I am now. I experienced outright disdain for my relatively moderate political beliefs from the majority of my professors and my peers; so much so that after a year or two I got tired of it and just learned to shut up.

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I didn't respond to that argument because of multiple reasons.

First, this is the same argument that many creationists, followers of intelligent design and other religious nuts use to discredit evolution. In fact, if you look up the wikipedia page for Expelled: No intelligence allowed, you'll see that the idiots who made that movie used very similar language to the OP and in fact, my instinctive response when I read this bit, thanks to having heard this so many times from creationists was to immediately assume assume the OP was one. I didn't want this to color the rest of my response so I decided to ignore this bit.

Also, it's seems like flamebait to me. I suspect the OP threw it in there to antagonize those who disagreed with that idea while simultaneously enlisting the support of everyone who was once slighted for his/her political views by a professor.

Finally, are you seriously suggesting that because university professors tend to have certain political views we need to fix this by cutting university funding? I must be missing something because this makes no sense.

Also, the OP's made a very broad claim that most university departments are rife with ideology and hostile to conflicting views. You are referring to some instances of ridicule relating to the specific subject of political views, which is a much much weaker claim.

PS. I believe there's research that shows that the political leanings of professors has little effect on the political views of students. And I'm sorry that you were ridiculed and I think this is unacceptable behavior.

>Finally, are you seriously suggesting that because university professors tend to have certain political views we need to fix this by cutting university funding?

No. I don't even know if it could be fixed. It could be something inherent to academia for whatever reason.

>specific subject of political views

Political views tend to encompass a large portion of a person's identity. A suppressive atmosphere towards a particular political belief can have a much larger stifling effect (outside of mere political discussion).

  > the idiots who made that movie used very similar language to the OP
  > immediately assume assume the OP was one
Come on. This is an obvious case of unwarranted guilt by association. For the record, I've never seen Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, and from briefly looking up what the film is about, I don't think I'd agree with it at all.
As I said, this was my instinctive response and I'm sorry about that. I'm glad you're not a creationist. :-)