[mistrial9]

> some people lean heavily on government intervention to solve their problems

this lecture is better pointed at the naive.. look at system rules in place, benefiting "stall" politics and high tax on labor, local govt zoning, and access to capital projects. You explain to me how "Noah's Bagels" makes multi-hundred franchise with high-end remodelling, to sell bagels. A person "exercising personal initiative" goes out of business in less than half a year! Also construction contractors..

hollow platitudes work when the system is flush.. dont be surprised to get serious pushback with that

[politician]

Government is not able to fix the peoples' problems. Entrenched poverty and homelessness has been a problem in New York [3] and California for decades, but even though the same party has been in power for similar decades -- New York has been under single-party control since 1975 [1] and California since 1959 [2] -- the problems remain. There is no motivation to solve the peoples' problems, only "lectures pointed at the naive" around election time.

For the individual, the only realistic option is out-migration to lower density areas.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Ne...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Ca...

[3] https://council.nyc.gov/data/homeless/

[dragonwriter]

> New York has been under Democrat control since 1975 [1] and California since 1959 [2] -

Neither of those claims are supported by those links (and even the control that actually is shown by those links may be misleading, in that it ignores things like “controlling all of the separately elected executive offices and having majorities in both houses of the legislature is insufficient to govern California since it takes a legislative supermajority to make tax changes that involve any increases, and, prior to 2014, to even pass an annual budget”.)

[politician]

An inability to operate government even under single-party conditions strengthens my argument.

[dragonwriter]

Its not “single party conditions” if another party holds enough seats to block critical legislation.

[politician]

Feel free to post a source for your claims that the party with 5+ decades of majority control is excused from its failures to alleviate the problems of its most desperate citizens because of spoiler votes.

In any case, the fact that that situation is even possible is support enough for folks to move to lower density areas.