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by cschneid 1125 days ago
I've seen similar situations too. It seems that people see minor social transgressions like littering as a percentage of guilt.

Already 20 pieces of junk on the ground, whatever, one more is 5% of the total.

Nothing there, My thing would be 100% of the junk on the ground, can't do that.
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KronisLV 1125 days ago
> Already 20 pieces of junk on the ground, whatever, one more is 5% of the total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

> In criminology, the broken windows theory states that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes.

The same probably applies to things like littering as well, somewhat.

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kibwen 1125 days ago
Broken window theory gets (rightfully, IMO) criticized because it tries to make an unjustified logical leap between crimes of a wildly different degree of severity.

I'm not trying to argue against the premise above that seeing litter makes people more likely to litter; in fact, I agree with it. Humans are monkey-see monkey-do creatures. The problem is that "monkey sees broken window, monkey does murder" is not how this works. It's a weirdly authoritarian way of thinking that suggests that criminality is not only objective, but a tidy spectrum.

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autoexec 1125 days ago
The flaw with broken windows theory was that it was used to justify excessive and abusive police actions. Cleaning up trash, turning vacant lots into parks and pleasant spaces, keeping public areas well maintained, and generally making it look like people give a shit about where they live really does make a huge difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ02VLZ_Ey0
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throwway120385 1125 days ago
Another thing the police can do is try to solve problems beyond stopping lawbreakers. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policing. These things really do matter.
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lostlogin 1125 days ago
Your link has criticism of the theory which is worth considering.

That said, it’s hard to imagine that excess litter collection could lead to minorities getting bashed by the police.

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