[ryandrake]

I've argued in the past here on HN that your first employee should probably be an attorney--or at the very least have one on retainer, and got absolutely roasted for it. I still believe it though. How do you even know if your software product is legal everywhere you plan to distribute it? Are there any states that forbid what you are doing? Are all your dependency licenses really compatible? Are your logging practices legal in the EU? A single lawyer is not going to be a deep expert in Polish law, but he or she will be able to at least give general advice to keep the product from being dead on day one.

We laugh-complain about "ha ha the lawyers are designing our products now" but it kind of has to be the case in the complex legal environment businesses operate in.

[brianwawok]

Imagine 1000 competing companies in the same space.

500 have a team that looks like 3x developer, a design person, and a sales person.

500 have a team that is like 1x developer and a Lawyer

Which one wins? Which hits market first? Which is more successful?

An early company has to spend money on the core product. If you get wacked by a lawsuit and shut down in year 2, it's a cost of doing business and you go do something else.

There isn't enough time in the day or money for an early startup to get every single law perfect.

So to answer the OP: You just do your best, and correct when you screw up.

[gamblor956]

Developers these days get paid 2-3x as much as lawyers (until the later stages of a lawyer's career), so your 2-man startups appear to be starting with significantly less funding.

If you mean the choice is between a team of 3x developers and 1x lawyer vs 3x developers a designer and a salesperson, the former will win. Design matters very little at the earliest stages, and there's nothing for the salesperson to sell so they are most likely going to make promises to potential customers the developer's can't meet. And if they get any traction, CA or the EU will crack down on them for any privacy violations, which will kill the startup. Meanwhile, the former will chug along until they have a viable product that satisfies regulatory constraints, and acquihire the latter.

The days of regulatory arbitrage as a viable business model are over. There will be no more Ubers and AirBnBs. Governments have caught up to that scam and are significantly more willing to crack down on that now.

[brianwawok]

> Developers these days get paid 2-3x as much as lawyer

hhahahahahha

Not all of us live in the bay ;)

Also my bay layer was $450 an hour, have never met a developer that cost me that.

> The days of regulatory arbitrage as a viable business model are over. There will be no more Ubers and AirBnBs. Governments have caught up to that scam and are significantly more willing to crack down on that now.

that is pretty good too. Keep up the comments, this is a riot.

[lesuorac]

Sure and the teams that just blindly download packages from NPM will be the fastest to market.

They'll just also have massive supply-chain vulnerabilities :/

Unfortunately, being in business with a risk of going out of business is a better spot to be in than already being out of business.

[digging]

This seems very obvious to me, so I find it weird people disagreed. But maybe that's correlated with the number of businesses I've started, which is 0.

[brianwawok]

Create a budget for a new startup. How much do you spend on each function?

It's not super hard to figure out why most startups don't have a lawyer.

[digging]

> Create a budget for a new startup. How much do you spend on each function?

I have almost literally no idea; running a business is totally outside my interests.

[brianwawok]

K. The answer is you don't dump it all in legal if you can help it.